Where are they now: Paul Bosvelt

True Demi…

Demi…..No defence can survive infront of pure talent attack…other wise they should do more fouls…even this fouls can lead to penalty…Ultimately the team who attack more oftenly and precisely will win the game.
Thats why brazil have 5 world cup..
To score the goals you need to create some chances.or number of chances needed to score in some games.You cannot blame a person for missing one goal.Spain cannot survive infront of sharp attack so is germany.i think our needs to be more sharp and they should create more chances.Sure goals will come…Even with just 3 offensive players we had some chances against spain,though we had zero creativity from left wing.

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Tiju,

I think I understand what you are trying to say and I don’t disagree with some of your points. However the devil is in the details. At the highest level of soccer (Oranje, Spain, Germany) the details determine the winner.

You can’t play Barcelona style possession game in the 1/8-1/4-1/2 finals of a world cup. These games are brawls/guerilla wars. It’s hardly ever you see a game plan executed, Spain vs. Germany was an exception not the rule.

It’s the team that attacks more precicely not more oftenly that wins. At that level you get 1-2 chances to take the game. You need to execute in order to win. Ask Robben . Precise is the key word not “often”.

Brazil has won two WCs in your lifetime. A very easy one 2002 and a tough one in 1994. Guess what ? The brazil of 94 played a very defensive if you want 4-2-2-2 (diamond) with guerilla attacks from Romario and Bebeto. It’s the first team what won the WC with a clear “4-2″ two lines of defense. They got a lot of heat from the fans for playing like that but they took the cup home. And it was a mighty team, to be honest. Probably the most unbeatable Brazil ever…

As per Kuyt, I see your point. Now we have more options and more seasoned players, perhaps he should be benched. You may want to wait till the friendly with England and see how that goes. He is not the reason though we lost the WC final…

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Demi….With 3 attacking players we are bit limited,Our attack needs to be effective and they should be one step ahead of opponent attack.Orange is having a goal drought in biggames except that 4-1 sweden game.i think kuyt didnt played that game.Dunga was a hardworker like kuyt in 1994 team but he was holding mid not a striker or winger.i have never seen kuyt kuyt dribble pass a defender and scoring goals.i will never see that.With such player as winger and striker you cannot win WC/EC or CL it is proven in last 5 years.I am not only telling about kuyt,next irritating fellow is goin to be luuk dejong.In front you need skills thats a must and brazil had plenty,Romario,bebeto etc

From an interview in Aug 2011 posted on FIFA site:
Question=Have your methods and message changed since the FIFA World Cup Final?
Bert’s answer=”I try to be as clear as possible with my players. Transparency is one of my ground rules. I want my team to be able to understand my methods, to support them and to put them into practice. To achieve that, you have to stick to the same style of play, and not make changes depending on your opponents or the context of the match. Otherwise the players start to doubt you, and it’s impossible to make real progress.”
He also said “this team has learned how to win no matter the circumstances, whether they feel motivated or not” and “What’s motivating us now is a desire to draw lessons from the final that we lost, and to make the most of that experience. Everything was new for my players that night, and I can assure you they’ve learned from it.”
I’m sure if we face Germany and Spain again in a game that matters, we will play better than the final or the 0-3 loss.

hein bert doesnt need to change the formation…We need 2 holding mids ,coz of bit weak defence…its true and good.
The issue orange had against germany was we didnt had a sharp attack.there was no one to support sneijder.Bommel,kuyt,babel are no match for Xavi,Busquets ,khedira,navas,Kroos and schweni…Both germany and spain have much better footballing holding mids than us.Along with equally balanced wingers.Our wing play creativity is been always a joke with kuyt.he doesnt open up space like nani,roben,muller,navas etc..this is a serious issue.There is no pressure from left side.this really stimulates spain and germany and they attack with full strength.this cause a serious problem for our defence.kuyt never gets the respect from oppoenent and they simply ignore him.Even full back is not worried about him.they know how much he will do.So BVM can stick with plan but he must choose RIGHT PLAYERS FOR POSITIONS.

Looking back, I never really liked Bosvelt, nor did i understand exactly why he was in the squad lol.

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Alex…bosevelt played as Rb and holding mid,was not a bad option for us in that time..Always played well especially his primary duty…Defence..He was supposed to play well in defencive role and he did well…so i have no complains over him…It was advocate mistake,by introducing a defensive player we are goin on backfoot,like a coward..Advocate did that..he got punished for that.Bosevelt was a scape goat.
You know what kuyt is doin as attacker as his primary duty.He was there in all big countable defeats of orange in 2006,08,10..Did nothing in all those games.i felt so pitty that no coach understood that he is the problem in our attack.As long as he plays in the wing orange is a handicapped one handed man.

Seeing vBommel come out of the tunnel first when watching a stream for Inter – Ac milan I’m puzzled about some of the comments I’ve read on this blog lately regarding vBommel not playing for Milan.

Every important match I’ve watched with AC Milan (I don’t bother too much with the rest) I’ve always seen vBommel playing this season, I don’t get it. It seems Milan’s coach values him greatly, he always uses him in the important matches.

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@Sol….van bommel is playing for milan..Milan is team of veterans…but they have some talents in Ribhino,zlatan,urby,pato etc..they dont have kuyt kind non creative player in attack.So bommel can play.But he is not a regular starter and no where near khedira,Busquets kind of players..Orange is just horrible with bommel and kuyt and dejong.these three should not play together in orange.bommel is 34 and if he loves orange,for the sake of orange he should retire.kuyt is 31 and he also should do same..Dennis retired at 30 ,why these mediocre players still hanging in team?????????

I watched Liverpool play Stoke yesterday and it was a boring predictable game and although Kuyt didn’t not excel by a long shot, he had three smart through passes with a nifty foot-move almost putting three mates free before the Stoke goalie. It didn’t result in goals but it was much more than Adam, Gerrard or any other Red was able to do.

I do concur that Kuyt’s time might come to an end with Oranje but I don’t subscribe to the negativity re: Dirkie. Or Van Bommel for that matter.

It’s not like we didn’t qualify for the World Cup or Euro, is it?

Btw, I had a very busy week last week and will have another busy one this week, but I will try and post some really cool shit soon.

I have stuff on Robin, Ronald Koeman, Cruyff, the Hunter and Michel Vorm! And Wolf.

>I do concur that Kuyt’s time might come to an end with Oranje but I don’t subscribe to the negativity re: Dirkie. Or Van Bommel for that matter.

very well put Jan…

looking forward to read the stuff on R. Koeman. What? Can we resurrect them for the Euro? LOL … he is just what we need in the back

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Demi, never thought R Koeman as a great defender he was one of the best Liberos though. Great vision and a fierce shot to boot. He was always the Free Man – extremely slow but knew where to stand and distribute. I think MvB could do a similar job in the backline and let Douglas do all the defending.

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Carlos, we don’t necessarily need better defenders per se, we just need someone to lead the defensive line and not just distribute the ball but guide the positioning of the others. In other words, we could use a good libero

I also think vanBommel can do a great job and if Douglas plays then this is another reason to have Mark play the libero role. His experience would be even more important.

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Patrick van Aanholt has confirmed via his twitter that he’ll be going on loan to Vitesse from Chelsea for the remainder of the 11/12 season.

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Guys , did you watch the AC milan- Inter milan game yesterday ? I think Emanuelson played really good .
He plays regularly with AC mlian , may be should have a call-up and a good sub for the LB .. he’s better than brafhied by all means !

Well , It’s out of topic but may be you would like to watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx-L5iyDF48

UNBELIEVABLE

and he can be a good sub*

Off topic a bit: But I always found it interesting how different countries, and maybe “cultures”, produces different great players. For example, Oranje has produced more world class attcking players (striker/wingers) than most countries. Perhaps with the exception of Brazil, but arguably not much in it, if anything.

You look at England, it is goalkeepers/midfielders/defenders. Certainly less on the striker front. Italy too. Haven’t had a super striker in years, but solid at the back etc. You can even look at a little country like my own (Norway), it is again defenders that is the “spot”. Why is it like that? It is not like other countries than Holland do not play a striker or two? Thoughts anyone?

@Finn Dutch and german peoples are much more brilliant than italians and the english..italy and england have more pragmatic approach towards the game.

Emanuelson played 30 minutes as left back and he did well.

Van Bommel played a very good game against Inter.

That suodns delicious, but I am not good baker! I need to sign up for a class on baking because whenever I do my kitchen ends up a disaster Thanks for sharing!

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