Comments on: Victim of overflow of great players: Afellay http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/victim-of-overflow-of-great-players-afellay.html World Cup 2010 - South Africa, Oranje, Nederlands Elftal, Eredivisie, Marco van Basten, Dutch football, The Netherlands Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:27:21 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: goose http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/victim-of-overflow-of-great-players-afellay.html/comment-page-1#comment-160297 goose Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:47:30 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/victim-of-overflow-of-great-players-afellay.html#comment-160297 hahaha finn; hahaha finn;

]]> By: Jan http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/victim-of-overflow-of-great-players-afellay.html/comment-page-1#comment-160296 Jan Fri, 17 Oct 2008 07:08:40 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/victim-of-overflow-of-great-players-afellay.html#comment-160296 HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAAAAAAA :-) HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAAAAAAA :-)

]]> By: finnster01 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/victim-of-overflow-of-great-players-afellay.html/comment-page-1#comment-160295 finnster01 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 05:20:37 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/victim-of-overflow-of-great-players-afellay.html#comment-160295 "we need to naturalize some Greek defenders" : That would indeed help if we ever have to come from behind... :-) “we need to naturalize some Greek defenders” : That would indeed help if we ever have to come from behind… :-)

]]> By: Jan http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/victim-of-overflow-of-great-players-afellay.html/comment-page-1#comment-160294 Jan Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:37:14 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/victim-of-overflow-of-great-players-afellay.html#comment-160294 we need to naturalize some Greek defenders :-) we need to naturalize some Greek defenders :-)

]]> By: Andrew http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/victim-of-overflow-of-great-players-afellay.html/comment-page-1#comment-160288 Andrew Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:41:27 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/victim-of-overflow-of-great-players-afellay.html#comment-160288 Darius, I think you may have a point re: the France game. But not Italy; the Dutch were on top of the Italians from the start. Wasn't until the Dutch led 2-0 at halftime (and could/should have been 3-0), that the Italians started playing their game. The Italians did have a good spell for the first part of the second half. Still, the Netherland's good spell led to goals; the Italy's didn't, and 3-0 is a blow out at that level. With France I can't argue with you through the first half. Kuyt got the early header, but the French put them back on their heels most of the rest of the half. Then on came Robben and Van Persie, both teams ran at each other; the Dutch were much better in the second half; 4-1 is a rout, and there was nothing deceiving about the scoreline. That said, I think your assessment of top 10 is about right, but their winning is less about the sun and the stars alining than it is about sorting out the defense, and getting the players healthy. A midfield of De Jong and Van Bommel providing cover to allow VP, VDV, Sneijder, Robben, RVN (and yep, I'll be shocked if he doesn't join the team in SA if he keeps up his form)to do their thing---well, they're a match for anybody on their day. Andrew Darius,

I think you may have a point re: the France game. But not Italy; the Dutch were on top of the Italians from the start. Wasn’t until the Dutch led 2-0 at halftime (and could/should have been 3-0), that the Italians started playing their game. The Italians did have a good spell for the first part of the second half. Still, the Netherland’s good spell led to goals; the Italy’s didn’t, and 3-0 is a blow out at that level. With France I can’t argue with you through the first half. Kuyt got the early header, but the French put them back on their heels most of the rest of the half. Then on came Robben and Van Persie, both teams ran at each other; the Dutch were much better in the second half; 4-1 is a rout, and there was nothing deceiving about the scoreline.

That said, I think your assessment of top 10 is about right, but their winning is less about the sun and the stars alining than it is about sorting out the defense, and getting the players healthy. A midfield of De Jong and Van Bommel providing cover to allow VP, VDV, Sneijder, Robben, RVN (and yep, I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t join the team in SA if he keeps up his form)to do their thing—well, they’re a match for anybody on their day.

Andrew

]]> By: darius http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/victim-of-overflow-of-great-players-afellay.html/comment-page-1#comment-160255 darius Thu, 16 Oct 2008 03:40:00 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/victim-of-overflow-of-great-players-afellay.html#comment-160255 i am right-not top3, but top 10. And you say "get real"????? you have maybe an outsized view of your team, like lots of fans. But its ok i am right-not top3, but top 10. And you say “get real”????? you have maybe an outsized view of your team, like lots of fans. But its ok

]]> By: mario http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/victim-of-overflow-of-great-players-afellay.html/comment-page-1#comment-160254 mario Thu, 16 Oct 2008 03:32:31 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/victim-of-overflow-of-great-players-afellay.html#comment-160254 darius....get real! darius….get real!

]]> By: darius http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/victim-of-overflow-of-great-players-afellay.html/comment-page-1#comment-160253 darius Thu, 16 Oct 2008 03:03:01 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/victim-of-overflow-of-great-players-afellay.html#comment-160253 Not really ridiculous. Jan, as for your scoring the first goal, and impacts first goals have on rhythym of games, I think you are right. However, lets remember-Holland was being outplayed early in both games prior to the surprise first goals. And only VDS kept it from being 1-0 to your opponents in both games. Dont underestimate his import to your wins. Anyway, I know no one on here will agree so its ok, but i do really like watching holland play usually. I think you all are top 3 in world ....outside your back 4. With that defense, you are top 10, but no better, and I think you all know that. But top 10 can still win it if the skies align properly!. Not really ridiculous. Jan, as for your scoring the first goal, and impacts first goals have on rhythym of games, I think you are right. However, lets remember-Holland was being outplayed early in both games prior to the surprise first goals. And only VDS kept it from being 1-0 to your opponents in both games. Dont underestimate his import to your wins. Anyway, I know no one on here will agree so its ok, but i do really like watching holland play usually. I think you all are top 3 in world ….outside your back 4. With that defense, you are top 10, but no better, and I think you all know that. But top 10 can still win it if the skies align properly!.

]]> By: Caleb http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/victim-of-overflow-of-great-players-afellay.html/comment-page-1#comment-160251 Caleb Thu, 16 Oct 2008 02:35:52 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/victim-of-overflow-of-great-players-afellay.html#comment-160251 Definitely butchered Italy and France, there's no other way to describe beating them by a three goal difference. And I hope no one has the idea to suggest that Italy and France were the better teams in those games, because that would be absolutely ridiculous. Definitely butchered Italy and France, there’s no other way to describe beating them by a three goal difference. And I hope no one has the idea to suggest that Italy and France were the better teams in those games, because that would be absolutely ridiculous.

]]> By: Jan http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/victim-of-overflow-of-great-players-afellay.html/comment-page-1#comment-160250 Jan Thu, 16 Oct 2008 01:42:15 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/victim-of-overflow-of-great-players-afellay.html#comment-160250 On Italy and France: we scored the first goal in those matches and then at that level you allow the opponent to try and take the game to you. That's how it is. And that's why Italy got their chances. If they had scored first, they wouldn't have proceeded like that. When you win these games (against big nations) with three goals difference, I agree with Finn: you've taken them to the cleaners. Sure, Sar saved some balls, but that's why he's there. The goal scoring against France in particular was just top class stuff. Is it luck? Or is it class? Maybe both? Either way, the end result is the end result :-) On Italy and France: we scored the first goal in those matches and then at that level you allow the opponent to try and take the game to you. That’s how it is. And that’s why Italy got their chances. If they had scored first, they wouldn’t have proceeded like that.

When you win these games (against big nations) with three goals difference, I agree with Finn: you’ve taken them to the cleaners.

Sure, Sar saved some balls, but that’s why he’s there.

The goal scoring against France in particular was just top class stuff. Is it luck? Or is it class? Maybe both? Either way, the end result is the end result :-)

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