Oranje analysis: The Attack!

I’m disappointed by you Tiju you should have not gone down to his level.

Posted from  United States

@Sam you are talking with sense ,but cannot agree much on Dejong ..he is the best protector we have and he plays for a starstudded team…and he is still playing good.i do agree that dejong is slow…but we need him.Orange will beat germany and spain even in 90 minutes..only the the thing is we need to drop some players.

@Sam will ignore

Going back to what matters. If you look at Barcelona, Puyol and Pique are (really) out of the spotlight. Its because everything else happens on the other end of the field, with messi and co. I think if Van Persie, Robben, Sneijder or even Huntelaar can steal all the headlines then nobody will even bother to look at our “so called” weak defense. Puyol and Pique have their jobs cut of because(generally)barcelona is up by 2-0 at HT. It is much more easier for defenders to maintain a 2-0 lead, as pressure tends to decrease and confidence rise. Compare this to a 0-0 situation, where they become tense and sometimes lose concentration. But again, Oranje is not playing in la liga nor do barcelona have to play Germany and Portugal. But I think it is a good reference for note taking…

Posted from  Spain

Gio…well said and good point…But you cannot underestimate puyol..he is the main reason barcelona and spain defence…look at his foul on roben in both situations in final.
look at barca line up and orange line up
==========Villa==================
Inesta——Messi—-Alexis
—-Busquets –Xavi————-
Abidal——————-Alves
——–Pouyol—pique——–
———-valdes————–
Loo at orange
————Hunter———–
Persie——znijder——Kuyt
——Dejong-bommel————-
Peiters—————–Weil
———Joris-Johny————
———steke—————
This means you are playing with 7 defenders(2 holding+kuyt+4 defenders)Then how can you expect goals?????Zniijder VS messi and Persie Vs ineasta is ok
But Dejong VS Busquets??????????
Bommel Vs Xavi???????????
Kuyt Vs Alexis????????
Joris VS pique??????????? the orange issue is there

Watched Chelsea vs Newcastle
Tim Krul saved a penalty and had other good saves but he couldn’t keep out 3 other strikes.
He has very good reflexes but he needs to work on his positioning. If you guys watched the game or watch the highlights, the last two goals could have been saved by Krul.
Anyways, I’m happy with his progress. More games means more experience. He needs some friendly games to see how good he fits with the defense.

Posted from  United States

I read somewhere that Van der Wiel is planning to go to Valencia instead of the Premier League. I think he’s at the right age and maturity level in his game to move on. I’m always apprehensive about young players leaving too early and stunting their development.

I have a question for you guys:

Is it better for the development of our young players to go to England or Spain? Or it doesn’t matter?

I personally think it doesn’t matter. However, the style of La Liga play is more like the international games compared to PL games that are more fast paced and more physical.

Any observations or comments?

Posted from  United States

Big difference for Krul was both his CBs going injured today. He looked pissed off having conceded, I love that in a keeper.

Also interesting..
Messi can today equal Dutchman Phillip Cocu (1998-2004) as non-Spanish player with most official Barcelona games (292)…

Posted from  Canada

Robben scored 2 Goals from PG, also persi scored a goal. great day.

Posted from  United States

if robben and snejder can find their best froms and persi keep him in top. i bet all of u we can go all the way in EU12

Posted from  United States

where is bruma in defenitive squad?

Posted from  United States

Krul is a confident goalie… Hopefully BvM makes him second choice goalie

Posted from  United States

>But Dejong VS Busquets??????????

I prefer DeJong any time. Great player, great soul too. BvM plz put him back.

>Bommel Vs Xavi???????????

Mark is getting older but he is still a leader and he can play CB. We need leaders behind.

As per Kuyt, he is not the best player in the world but he can make a contribution any time. See friendly with Uruguay last summer. He can be very valuable.

>But you cannot underestimate puyol..he is the main reason barcelona and spain defence…look at his foul on roben in both situations in final.

if the referee was not incompetent he should have seen a red for the one before the end of regular time.

———————-steks—————————

—V.d.Weil—–Heitinga ——–Bruma ——–Peiters—–

——————-V. Bommel————————-

——————————Strootman————–

——————-sneijder—————————

Robben—————V.Persie——————Afellay–

Posted from  Switzerland

OUR CORE TEAM:

1 Stekelenburg
2 Van der Wiel
3 Heitinga
4 Pieters
5 Mathijsen
6 Van Bommel
7 Nigel
8 Vaart
9 Strootman
10 Sneijder
11 Afellay
12 Huntelaar
13 Kuyt
14 Van Persie
15 Robben

—————–

THE REST I’D CALL

16 Krul
17 Vorm
18 Douglas
19 Bruma
20 Maduro/Schaars
21 Wolfswinkel
22 Wijnaldum
23 Ola/Elia/Babel

haha oranjeboom if u werent just an insenstive racist jerk i mite have been mildly amused by ur articulation of tiju’s exploits..maybe jan will find a way to block u instead..now that will b ironic…no one is in luv with tiju but that doesn’t give anyone the license for such hostile attitudes and grave prejudice…u make me sick! lets see if u even get even one person to support u! u freak of nature!

Posted from  Bosnia And Herzegovina

@Sam: I rather have Kuyt and DeJong as sub. I like Huntelaar we need him. In a game where Van Persie is neutralized by the opponent, you need a poacher, like RVN and Hunter is my choice. I would let Van Bommel and Mathijsen retire from national team but I think Bert will take Bommel, Mathijsen to Euro as their last tour. Bert already line up DeJong and Strootman as the future defensive mid, but he has not showed that he is willing to call up new central defenceman like Douglas to replace Mathijsen. Only Bert will know. I was hoping that he reads this blog. Is there anyone else there somehow to get Bert and his coaching staff to read this blog?

I was wondering who can be a good sub for our Rt back position ?
is there any talent rising up soon ?
i mean , mercellis , janmaat ain’t Oranje material in my opinion , are they ?

NO v.Bommel, Babel, Braafheid, or (as much as I love em) v.Nistelrooy.

Raise your hand if you are an in-law of v.Bommel. Nobody? Sure does seem like it though. He’s too slow now and fouls entirely way too much so he needs to sit out.

Stkelenburg
VdW – Heitinga – Douglas – Pieters
Leroy Fer – Strootman
Sneijder
Robben – Huntelaar – Wijnaldum

Subs:
Krul, Vorm
Bruma, Mathijsen, van Aanholt
Van Der Vaart, Afellay, Schaars, De Jong
v.Persie, Luuk De Jong, Kuyt

@SamDC

Regarding your PL/LaLiga question for Dutch player, I think it depends on the player. I think midfielders/forwards should stay in Holland as long as possible (until they are 23/24), then go to either of those 2 leagues. I prefer England because I feel that our players get more appreciation there than in Spain (see Drenthe, Robben, Sneijder, Van der Vaart, Maduro, Heitinga). Although they all had successful spells, in the end they all left unhappy (Maduro will leave unhappy in January).

I can’t wait for Sneijder to go to the Premier League (I know he will) and take it by storm.

I would like to see vdWiel go to Spurs.

Posted from  United States

On a side note: I think all Dutch players should boycott Serie A. No more youths going there. It’s a dying league and it’s taking our young players there with it.

Posted from  United States

Agree with Primo regarding the calccio ..

Jan,

Please intervene when extreme, poisonous and racist rants like the one above appear on this blog. The rant I read above from “oranjeboom” absolutely disgusted me. No contributor to this blog should be subjected to such digusting attacks. A rant like that is poison to this excellent blog. Many blogs ban members for a length of time. Maybe you should consider that. I would hate to see this blog go downhill. If someone disagrees with Tiju or anyone else or wants to correct their spelling or whatever that’s fine. We can all learn from each other but do so respectfully.

Sincerely,
Gerry

The blog seems to be wandering a bit, becoming involved in issues not related to Netherlands football. Jan will remember that “we” have been in a similar situation before this one. I believe the best advice is to simply ignore the nonsense, rather than rising to the bait. After a while, the bothersome blogger(s)will tire and hopefully rejoin the football discussion. Remember, all of this discussion is about a sport, an entertainment and not critical to the world or to our lives. It should be enjoyable, and each of us can help make it so.

Posted from  United States

v.bommel,edson braftheid,boulah,babel is a liability for dutch team,their all cannot go for tounement euro2012

Posted from  Australia