Kuyt soothes Bert’s anger in crazy game

Guys the point is: This time even if our opponent scored 3 goals, it just wasn’t enough, ’cause we scored 5!! And that’s something really enjoying! You can score 3, but with Oranje it’s not enough to gain even a point!

About players: Affelay is growing the way, that he can soon be as essential as Robben is. With Elija on the bench and Van der Vaart becoming master mind of midfield Ornaje are heading towards great future!

Oranje is de kleur van gekte!!

I do hope Elia and Afellay can grow to replace the big guns shortly.. maybe Lens(who is getting back to some of his old level) and in longer run, hope for a few from Fer, Strootman, Toornstra, V.Wolfswinkel, Ebecilio, Narsingh, Wijnaldum, A.Asante, Özyakup, Castaignos, Kishna, Cabral, O.John, Pröpper, Castillion, Jozefzoon, L.De Jong, S.De Jong, Dost and list goes on for longer in my head XD but this will do lol

Posted from  Netherlands

When the dusts are settled, I hope people realize that the second half of the game was nothing more than a fluke. The defending was awful, there is no denial to that fact. But, I can’t see any reason to get panic. Some of the knee-jerk reactions in this board is just completely ridiculous, some started throwing random names for replacements, some called a complete defense overhauling (sorry, this one is just plain stupidity!).

Let’s not kid ourselves. When you’re losing the number one keeper, there is a significant degree of leadership and organization lost in the overall defense- not to mention the confidence level- no matter how good the replacement goalie is. It’s just the way the defensive team operates, they depend heavily on trust and understanding among each other. The first goal was a perfect example. When the ball was swung from the corner flag, the defense wasn’t set properly. At the edge of the penalty box, notice how De Jong was hesitant. Maybe he should have closed down quicker, but he couldn’t be sure that somebody else backed him off. Again, classic example of players not understanding their roles at that particular time. And of course the two deflections just made it worse for Vorm to react, so there was some lucks involved in that goal, too.

I don’t want to sound that I blame Vorm for the weak defense (because I am not), but realize that he may not have (yet) the respect that Stek or Sar had.

Oh btw, this is a trivial question for you.. when was the last time the Dutch gave up more more than 2 goals? It was against Austria almost exactly 3 years ago. The GK? You’d guess it right if you think it was a second string goalie (Timmer).

Another factor involved was just a lazy defending. The second and third goal were the results of this. The disciplined was very poor, maybe the team became complacent or maybe they were in the state of shock following the quick reply goal after the start of the 2nd half. I am sure Van Marwijk will take harsh actions on this like he has done in the past. On the second goal, three players (De Jong, Kuyt and Vd Wiel) trapped one Hungarian, and none of those could come up with a ball or sweep it for a throw. It’s just accident waiting to happen. The third goal was again a simple individual error not paying attention when play offside trap.

The message is.. nothing wrong tactically how the game was approached. Just need to focus more in the next match, and hopefully we’ll get the our leader back in the defense (Stekelenburg)

Final note.. To those of you who have singled out Pieters, where were you when Van der Wiel had a series of WTF moments prior to the World Cup (e.g. friendly vs. the US)? How come you didn’t ask for his head then? Oh wait .. maybe because he’s an Ajacied. From a neutral ground (which I am standing on), there is nothing wrong with Pieters. He did just fine in the first half, some dodgy moments in the second half (slowed down by injuries) before he was substituted.

Posted from  United States

@Eric very good point…charisma is needed for a GK.Vorm is good keeper and not a bad choice,but i rate velthuizen above him when he was at eredivise,i dont konw about him now.i still believe stke would have stopped 2 nd and 3 rd goal with better positioning.
Peiters is also not a bad choice our LB has to be from Bouma/Peiters/Aanholt.

bad defending is just bad defending ; nothing more and nothing less

@eric; im sure Pieters will stay in the team and that he will keep improving im actually more confident in Pieters on the long run than i am at vdWiel

Posted from  Netherlands

btw; is Piet Velthuis playing at his club?? any one knows?

Posted from  Netherlands

@goose– Velthuizen is buried deep in the bench. I don’t actually follow the Spanish League, but from the stats I’ve gathered, Piet has only started two times in the last 3 months or so. Even worse, the club is currently at the bottom of the table. So they may get relegated if they don’t recover. Not so good news for Velthuizen (AND Drenthe).

Posted from  United States

So the offense bailed out the defense this time and as long as oranje win, I’m happy. The 4 defenders are the weakest points, but they are able to get to the WC Final. Let’s give Pieters more time. The 2 CB are still young, but the 2 central defenders are not, esp Mathijsen. I hope Oranje qualifies asap and then BVM can give the chance for the younger players to start.

Posted from  United States

Jad – where are you getting these rumors that ManU and Inter want Robben?? And ManU wants Sneijder??

Posted from  United States

The sneijder comment is actually on the BBC website….. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/mobile/football/gossip_and_transfers/9440526.stm

But remember ROMOURS are exactly what they are!

Posted from  Ireland

Dirk Kuyt and the Magic Klompen!

The last goal is priceless. Dirk earned his Heineken again this match!

Jan sorry, I don´t know why I was thinking yesterday was wednesday instead Tuesday!!!!

I have my head in other planet!!!!!!

Guys, you think Mark van Bommel can become in our next Center Back????

@Eduardo– No. Why would you want MvB as center back?

He is older than Mathijsen and Heitinga (we need to get younger). Van Bommel’s marking and positioning are average, I don’t think his is any better than Joris or Johnny. Van Bommel is not any faster. More importantly, Van Bommel is naughty and clumsy, which is part of his brand identity. I can see him giving away cheap penalties for nudging someone’s back for nothing.

The positive he’s bringing to defense is perhaps leadership, but imho Heitinga is already a great leader at the back, along with Stekelenburg.

Posted from  United States

U-19 friendly.

Statistieken:
Nederland – Engeland 3-0 (1-0).

Scoreverloop: 20. Castaignos 1-0, 57. John 2-0, 80. John 3-0.

Opstelling: Verhulst; Ligeon (82. Verkoelen), Te Wierik, Martins Indi (46. Denswil), Wijnaldum; Promes, Őzyakup, Bouy (76. Koppers); Lukoki (72. Van Ewijk), Castaignos (63. Janga), John.

http://www.onsoranje.nl/nieuws/artikel/8131/onder-19-imponeert-tegen-engeland

Posted from  United States

U-17 qualified for the U-17 EC
And U-19 impressed vs England. eric just beat me to it, lol. And yes, Wijnaldum in that line up is the younger brother of Georginio Wijnaldum.
His name is Gilliano Wijnaldum and he;s an attacking minded LB.
I myself have high hopes for Özyakup and Castaignos

Posted from  Germany

It´s hard loose a great leader like MvB…..but you are rigth.. he is not better than Mathinsen and Heitinga.

Imagine the 1998 Orange commanded by BvM instead of hiddink!

VdSar
Reizenger Stamp FBoder Numan
Cocu Davis
RdBoer Bergkamp Overmars
Kluivert

Bench: W. Jonk, Seedorf, Zenden, Hoijdonk, Hasselbaink

This team with the winner mentality of the 2010 Orange!

@Eduardo I agree with you MvB at CB would be lots lots better. Because if you watch all of our games it is clear to see that we are better with VdV in CM because we can possess much better and easier, and we can dominate teams, however we always get let down by Mathijsen and Heitingas inability to PASS the ball. They suck at passing, but if we put MvB back there then we could possess like Barca, and then why would we need to defend…

ORANJE FREINDS FROM VANCOUVER AREA.
I want to invite you to join me in a little drop-in game which some freinds and I play every Wednesday evening at about 6 pm until dark. We will be at East 8th Ave and St George St (not far from broadway & Main in East Van) there is an elementary school pitch.
We will be there every wednesday from now until Fall when it is too dark!
Bring a blue and a red (or orange) top just in case… or else just come say hello. You will see me in either orange or either of the newer blue holland shirts.
Don’t be shy!

Posted from  Canada

@Steve: That is awesome, but it is a bit of a commute for Tiju and myself. We would love to come.

Besides he has promised to use me as rounding buoy and make me look silly all day but I will run for a full 90 minutes and kick his arse anyways.

Haha, sounds like me. They used to call me the Dutch plug (I play like Kuyt at CB) but I am afraid the nickname will soon be the Dutch pylon….

Come visit me!

Posted from  Canada

For all those interested – The whole AjaxBoard has resigned. Cruyff wins the battle.

Posted from  Singapore

Hugely impressed with Afellay over the two games. I think Robben might should be worried about his starting place at the moment!

The two game shave surely proved that we only need 1 defensive midfielder as well, as people have said before, we will always likely score more than the other team with Vaart there so we don’t need 2 DM’s.

I’d also like BVM to try MVB as a libero alongside Heitinga. Mathijsens ability is declining no doubt and by the summer of 2012 i worry that it will have declined too much. Yes MVB is older but he is better no question and there is no younger, suitable replacement for Mathijsen right now so I think MVB is worth a shot there.

Not really worried about the goalkeepers or about Pieters, he will be fine no doubt. People said Stek could not replace Sar, well he did and now Pieters will replace Gio too he just needs us to believe in him.

Overall a fantastic week, two beautiful attacking games played by Oranje and we have 18 points in the bag! so whats everyone complaining about

Hahahaha….. Steve make sure you send us some pics of that ok?

Chelsea will sign with van der weil this summer

@Eric, yes good points, I’m feeling better. We are too good to play like that “fluke”…I do think Mathijsen looked a little slothy tho…