Comments on: If Oranje grows up, it wants to be… http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/if-oranje-grows-up-it-wants-to-be.html World Cup 2010 - South Africa, Oranje, Nederlands Elftal, Eredivisie, Marco van Basten, Dutch football, The Netherlands Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:30:06 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: ferenc http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/if-oranje-grows-up-it-wants-to-be.html/comment-page-1#comment-160477 ferenc Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:53:58 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/if-oranje-grows-up-it-wants-to-be.html#comment-160477 i would never vote for arsenal. zhe reason is simple: they always start in a brilliant way but they never win anything. at least in the last 3 years. it's obvious that this year they'll be as trophyless as in the last years. i hesitated between ajax 95 and barca but finally decided that in 2008 barca-style fits more to our team. i wouldn't be happy with rfeal madrid style: they don't have tactics. it depends on individual brilliance. with capello they had tactics but schuster is a bad coach with an awful defence (juve versus real). the flamboyance and "free style" of barca would fit perfectly to our talents and mentality. i would never vote for arsenal. zhe reason is simple: they always start in a brilliant way but they never win anything. at least in the last 3 years. it’s obvious that this year they’ll be as trophyless as in the last years. i hesitated between ajax 95 and barca but finally decided that in 2008 barca-style fits more to our team. i wouldn’t be happy with rfeal madrid style: they don’t have tactics. it depends on individual brilliance. with capello they had tactics but schuster is a bad coach with an awful defence (juve versus real).
the flamboyance and “free style” of barca would fit perfectly to our talents and mentality.

]]> By: goose http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/if-oranje-grows-up-it-wants-to-be.html/comment-page-1#comment-160434 goose Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:35:38 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/if-oranje-grows-up-it-wants-to-be.html#comment-160434 Caleb is right; altough we dutch love to win, we dont want to win ugly...actually kind of unproffessional but thats the way it is.... what we want in Holland is attacking football we almost rather lose 4-3 in a great game than win 1-0 playing bad thats why people were so angry with Advocaat in 2004, it was the substitution made out of fear and we dutch dont like that; when under pressure, put in an extra attacker! (like vBasten v France EC08) i do agree that Arsenal seems to go nowhere lately... they just cant get me warm anymore...maybe its time for Wenger to call it a day and yes Marc, deZeeuw sucks Caleb is right; altough we dutch love to win, we dont want to win ugly…actually kind of unproffessional but thats the way it is…. what we want in Holland is attacking football we almost rather lose 4-3 in a great game than win 1-0 playing bad thats why people were so angry with Advocaat in 2004, it was the substitution made out of fear and we dutch dont like that; when under pressure, put in an extra attacker! (like vBasten v France EC08)

i do agree that Arsenal seems to go nowhere lately… they just cant get me warm anymore…maybe its time for Wenger to call it a day

and yes Marc, deZeeuw sucks

]]> By: Caleb http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/if-oranje-grows-up-it-wants-to-be.html/comment-page-1#comment-160429 Caleb Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:28:27 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/if-oranje-grows-up-it-wants-to-be.html#comment-160429 Whoa, easy guys! There's no need to get all down on Arsenal! @MO and Mario - the last time they won a trophy was in <i>2004</i> where they went undefeated for the whole season, playing beautiful football the whole time! And to say they are not a great team because they haven't won the Champions league recently - there are lots of very good teams that haven't won the Champions league recently! They did win the Uefa Cup in 2000 (under Wenger) and were runner's up in the CL in 2006 (aside from winning the premiere league 5 times under Wenger). That's not exactly the sign of a bad team! ( Also, you can't win the World Cup or the Euro cup with a club side :-P ) As to the comment about winning cups playing ugly... that's like blasphemy for a Dutch fan! Whoa, easy guys! There’s no need to get all down on Arsenal!

@MO and Mario – the last time they won a trophy was in 2004 where they went undefeated for the whole season, playing beautiful football the whole time!

And to say they are not a great team because they haven’t won the Champions league recently – there are lots of very good teams that haven’t won the Champions league recently! They did win the Uefa Cup in 2000 (under Wenger) and were runner’s up in the CL in 2006 (aside from winning the premiere league 5 times under Wenger). That’s not exactly the sign of a bad team! ( Also, you can’t win the World Cup or the Euro cup with a club side :-P )

As to the comment about winning cups playing ugly… that’s like blasphemy for a Dutch fan!

]]> By: marc http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/if-oranje-grows-up-it-wants-to-be.html/comment-page-1#comment-160425 marc Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:57:06 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/if-oranje-grows-up-it-wants-to-be.html#comment-160425 de zeeuw sucks... theyre making a mistake... i thnk oranje should maintain van bommel as holding mid feilder and use 5 attacking minded players. kuyt should play right back and our lethal formation would look like this: --------------------------------stekelenburg--------------------------------- ------Kuyt----------marcellis----------------boularhouz-----------van.bronkh- ------------------------------vanbommel-------------------------------------- ---------sneijder-----------------Vandervaart-------------------robben------- ---------------------vanpersie------------------huntelaar-------------------- de zeeuw sucks… theyre making a mistake… i thnk oranje should maintain van bommel as holding mid feilder and use 5 attacking minded players. kuyt should play right back and our lethal formation would look like this:

——————————–stekelenburg———————————

——Kuyt———-marcellis—————-boularhouz———–van.bronkh-

——————————vanbommel————————————–

———sneijder—————–Vandervaart——————-robben——-

———————vanpersie——————huntelaar——————–

]]> By: Jan http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/if-oranje-grows-up-it-wants-to-be.html/comment-page-1#comment-160420 Jan Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:10:51 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/if-oranje-grows-up-it-wants-to-be.html#comment-160420 News: Valencia wants Demy de Zeeuw... News: Valencia wants Demy de Zeeuw…

]]> By: Jan http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/if-oranje-grows-up-it-wants-to-be.html/comment-page-1#comment-160419 Jan Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:57:12 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/if-oranje-grows-up-it-wants-to-be.html#comment-160419 Oranje should play like Oranje... I realize that :-). I think we're all for that. But, with our current players...is it feasible? Do we have the players for it? And my whole point is: Arsenal, ManU and Real Madrid all play "Dutch style football". As was pointed out: Sir Alex, Wenger and Schuster are fans of Dutch gootball. But you can play without a static striker (ManU), with 2 strikers and four midfielders (Arsenal), with wingers (Real)...there's many ways to play. Oranje played - see my earlier comment - different styles in history and we always managed to play "Dutch". I don't think that is the point. The point is: Given the players we have, given the development our opponents went through (in particular the smaller nations) who do we deploy our players? Oranje should play like Oranje… I realize that :-) . I think we’re all for that. But, with our current players…is it feasible? Do we have the players for it? And my whole point is: Arsenal, ManU and Real Madrid all play “Dutch style football”. As was pointed out: Sir Alex, Wenger and Schuster are fans of Dutch gootball. But you can play without a static striker (ManU), with 2 strikers and four midfielders (Arsenal), with wingers (Real)…there’s many ways to play. Oranje played – see my earlier comment – different styles in history and we always managed to play “Dutch”. I don’t think that is the point. The point is:

Given the players we have, given the development our opponents went through (in particular the smaller nations) who do we deploy our players?

]]> By: mario http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/if-oranje-grows-up-it-wants-to-be.html/comment-page-1#comment-160414 mario Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:10:19 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/if-oranje-grows-up-it-wants-to-be.html#comment-160414 Yes Bart, but no champions league....Wenger is a great coach but no champions leagues, no euros, no world cups... Yes Bart, but no champions league….Wenger is a great coach but no champions leagues, no euros, no world cups…

]]> By: Bart http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/if-oranje-grows-up-it-wants-to-be.html/comment-page-1#comment-160413 Bart Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:05:16 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/if-oranje-grows-up-it-wants-to-be.html#comment-160413 Well Arsenal did have the Invincible season with Dennis Bergkamp in 2002. o__0 Well Arsenal did have the Invincible season with Dennis Bergkamp in 2002. o__0

]]> By: Michel-Olivier http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/if-oranje-grows-up-it-wants-to-be.html/comment-page-1#comment-160412 Michel-Olivier Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:55:02 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/if-oranje-grows-up-it-wants-to-be.html#comment-160412 I'm tired of pretty football arsenal, when was the last time they won a trophy? 1979? i rather win cups playing ugly. I’m tired of pretty football arsenal, when was the last time they won a trophy? 1979? i rather win cups playing ugly.

]]> By: Jess http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/if-oranje-grows-up-it-wants-to-be.html/comment-page-1#comment-160411 Jess Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:31:28 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/if-oranje-grows-up-it-wants-to-be.html#comment-160411 I voted for Arsenal. I enjoy their passing and I like that they want to win by playing beautiful football. I know ugly football can win matches too I just like it when we win and win pretty. I voted for Arsenal. I enjoy their passing and I like that they want to win by playing beautiful football. I know ugly football can win matches too I just like it when we win and win pretty.

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