Comments on: Oranje meets “300″: Erwin Olaf impresses!

By: Jan

Jan — Sun, 18 May 2008 01:32:42 +0000

@Rob, good analysis about Gullit. At Feyenoord he started well and he did get Kalou to play some great football. A lot of players were sad to see him go.

Erwin Koeman and Bert van Marwijk showed how hard it is to get Feyenoord back to where the belong(ed).

By: goose

goose — Sat, 17 May 2008 18:20:07 +0000

@Bob; you cant have a team with all ballerina’s, you need some ‘butchers’ aswel..i dont think a central defender needs to be very skilled on the ball per se…as long as hes strong and quick and good in the air its fine with me
since vBommel is not there this team needs anothers asshole

@Rob; all true, but Gullit is a laizy person and a laizy manager…think he could be much better than this

By: Rob

Rob — Sat, 17 May 2008 14:19:43 +0000

To Igor – I don’t think Gullit’s a great manager, but I do think he’s been unlucky. At Chelsea, he didn’t do a bad job at all. He won an FA Cup in his first season as player manager (highly unusual in a top flight league), Chelsea’s first trophy in 26 years, and got them 6th in the Premiership. He was sacked the following season with Chelsea in 2nd place. This was before Abramovich came. In fact, it could be argued that Gullit was a major reason Chelsea are what they are today. He attracted the glamour players from the continent and set the ball in motion. Gullit brought in Gianfranco Zola who regularly appears in the Premiership’s top 5 players of all time. Ruud also signed Roberto Di Matteo, Frank Le Boeuf, Gianluca Vialli and Gustavo Poyet – all fantastic signings and some of the best players to play in the Premiership. He also signed Torre Andre Flo for next to nothing.

At Newcastle, he reached the FA Cup final. The following season he fell out with Shearer and that was really the end of it. Let’s be fair, Newcastle are a bit of a joke club and as soon as you get on Shearer’s wrong side you’re buggered. He was sacked again without much of a chance to make a mark.

I don’t know much about his Feyenoord stint but I gather it was a bit of a shambles – only finishing in fourth and Feyenoord don’t seem to have recovered.

As for LA Galaxy – they were crap before Gullit came. He has an ageing pre-madonna who hasn’t played his heart out at club level for years. Seem like the Newcastle of the MLS to me – think they have a god-given right to do well because they’re a bid city, but make joke has-been signings and splash cash in all the wrong places. Once again, I can only feel Ruud’s at the wrong club.

By: Rob

Rob — Sat, 17 May 2008 13:48:24 +0000

Hey – nice photos! Gio looks a bit of a skinny numpty though!!!

Great to hear Boulah’s back – before he went to Chelsea he was Oranje’s best defender. I’ve not seen him for Sevilla and I wonder if he’s ever recovered from being frozen out. Still, if he has then it’s great news because he’s got a lot more about him than Mathijsen. Some of you lot were beying for a hard tackling, tenacious, grab the game by the scruff of the neck, Davids type player. Boulah’s a MUCH better answer than Kuyt.

Sorry to see Maduro out – from what I gather De Zeeuw hasn’t really done anything useful for a while and Engelaar’s completely unproven at international level. Does De Jong merit going ahead of him too? Debatable. Maduro’s done well for Oranje before, is young and has bags of potential. He needed to come to this one.

Koevermans is no surprise, Vennegor offers something different to Ruud and Huntelaar. Urby had no chance. I’m a bit disappointed about Jaliens, but I thought he’d be gone.

By: tiju

tiju — Sat, 17 May 2008 12:55:24 +0000

hi i am bit happy,
jaliens,kovermans,urby got dropped but maduro was bit unlucky
hope kuyt will follow them
go babel go ahead of that useless donkey(kuyt)
last time san marc made two mistakes
1-dropped hantlaar
2-benched nestel rooy gave chance for kuyt(haiselink is far better than kuyt as a striker)
this time
1-dropped drenthe( A pure mentor and matchwinner).
2-Going to make mistake again if selecting dirk kuyt
according to availabilty
my line up
14231
van dar sar
Melchiot,heitinga,ooiger, de cler
Englaar,De saaw
Afaleey,Van persie,Roban
Nestel rooy.

i hope the results will be
Vs italy ofcourse we will have ball possession final result will be
italy=2(header goals from luca toni and materazi)
Holland=1(nestel rooy/Znijder)
Vs France
france=3(can predict who will score benzema?,ribery? henry?
Holland=1
Vs romania
Holland =3 or 2
Romania=0
Goals from nestel rooy/hantlaar and znijder/vanpersie.
back to amsterdam on 18 june.

By: Bob

Bob — Sat, 17 May 2008 12:36:05 +0000

Boulahrouz has never impressed me–I would rather see Kuijt play outside defender, based on his work rate and tenacity. As to the comments about Boul needed for “enforcement” purposes against Portugal, please remember World Cup ‘06. Boul was a big pain, played poorly, set a nasty tone that, together with poor officiating, send the game into a poor quality match. I believe his selection was a poor choice. We want the Dutch to win on skill, tenacity and teamwork, not by foul play intimidation. Until the Netherlands football program understands the importance of and develops gifted defenders, it will struggle in international tournaments. Think of that wonderful ‘98 team and the highly talented and determined back line. Ten years later, the Netherlands team back line is several notches below the ‘98 defenders group.

By: Jan

Jan — Fri, 16 May 2008 23:53:21 +0000

Hi Goose, no I just wanted to let you know that as you live in Holland you have the chance to buy it. There’s more pics in there. It’s the EC-special (EK Bijlage) of the AD, that’s all .

I like the pics. A lot!

By: goose

goose — Fri, 16 May 2008 19:22:39 +0000

@Igor; yes, Gullit lost much of his stature after becoming a manager…just comes to show you that a great player doenst make a great manager per se….he was a great, great player…most underestimated

By: Igor

Igor — Fri, 16 May 2008 16:41:46 +0000

off topic, but if you want to relieve the EC88, here is a nice little overview of the tournament:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/feature?id=530726&cc=5901

btw got to see Gullit in action the other day coaching the LA galaxy (they came to my town for an exhibition game)…they managed to lose, deservedly, to a lowly Canadian team, perhaps highlighting how much better of a player than a coach Gullit was.

By: Kervin

Kervin — Fri, 16 May 2008 16:38:03 +0000

Holland squad: Boschker (FC Twente), Van der Sar (Manchester United), Stekelenburg (Ajax),Timmer (Feyenoord);

Bouma (Aston Villa), De Cler (Feyenoord), Boulahrouz (Sevilla), Heitinga (Ajax), Mathijsen (Hamburg), Melchiot (Wigan), Ooijer (Blackburn);

Afellay (PSV Eindhoven), Van Bronckhorst (Feyenoord), Engelaar (FC Twente), De Jong (Hamburg), Landzaat (Feyenoord), Sneijder (Real Madrid), Van der Vaart (Hamburg), De Zeeuw (AZ Alkmaar);

Babel (Liverpool), Huntelaar (Ajax), Kuyt (Liverpool), Van Nistelrooy (Real Madrid), Van Persie (Arsenal), Robben (Real Madrid), Vennegoor of Hesselink (Celtic).