U21 Oranje beats Israel 1-0

Agree Miguel. I’d even go farther… The only way Holland can survive in the top is by differntiating in terms of tactics (4-3-3 IF the wingers are available) and youth development (so we can actually produce the wingers, the good defenders with build up qualities.

At Ajax, Danny Blind’s son has been given a multi-year contract. Apparently he is a lad to watch. Central defender.

Ok, here we go:

Hup Holland hup
Don’t let the lion stand in his little singlet (huh??)
Hup Holland hup
Don’t put on his slippers for the night
Hup Holland hup
Don’t let them work you of the pitch
coz a lion wearing football shoes can take on the whole world.

WHAAATTTT?????

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Guys, our U21 teams will meet tomorrow. My feeling is that NL is currently stronger than we are. Anyway, you know who I’ll be supporting but good luck for you guys! Also congratulations on your initial victory!

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PedroP!!!!!! whats up old friend….not really interested in this u21 tournament but ill watch the gane against you guys…didnt you play 0-0 against Belgium?? Actually think Belgium has a lot of talent…there first team at the moment is a laugh but i think well see them back on a decent level not so long from now…

well talk after the game

grtz

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@jan: hahaha, after your translations on Hup Holland Hup ill never sing it again..it sound soooo stupid!!

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Belgium were better, last match, although we (PT) were closer to scoring. All our passing lines were blocked… We ate the grass, dude… I also think BLG went a bit too far with fouling, or physycally “pushing over”, but this is also a diference in the football culture of ENG, BLG, NL, GER, etc, and PT (I say this, cos here I get to see some dutch league matches, now and then, on TV and also the commentaries). We’re (PT) smaller and rely more on technique and short passing, although NL is and exception, as from these examples, NL is the one that traditionally goes for passing and flowing attaking play… But you do “kick” a lot…

Let’s hope tonight, against you guys, the story will end on a different note… Anyway, like I said before, good luck for you dudes, but I hope PT wins!

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we kick a lot??? Youre not talking about the Ned.-Port. match last WC are you??? lets not go there, hahaha…

good luck to you guys..hope we slauther you (lol)

grzt

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@ferenc: do you go there on a regular basis?? never been at Nou Camp…really want to go there….must be great to watch a game with 70-80000 people, i envy you… were i go its only 4500-6500…on a good day that is!!

are you still confident Barca will win La Liga….hasnt Mallorca cost Madrid a title in the past (not sure)?

grzt

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@goose: it was the first time i went to camp nou. fantastic feeling. i don’t think barca will win the championship. to be honest: we gave a gift to real with these last minute goals. but you are right,in the past years mallorca won or drew several times at bernabeu. anyway we don’t deserve the title. but ir might be good: nexr season the players will be much more motivated.

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Ned defeted Por 2-1 enters U-21 semis

No let’s not go to the PT vs NL last year, where I must say NL had a lot of luck in getting away with all that bullshit and ending up with a very flattering 50:50 division of the guilt in the public oppinion (truth is, public opinion wants blood, they don’t really care who does what) + blaming it all in the ref - which was of course also extremelly poor and did help to generate that circus…

Anyway, you obviously didn’t get what I tried to say. It had to do with different “cultures”, or atitudes, towards how the game is played + physical diferences as well.

But if you watch a whole season of the PT league and compare it with the NL league, you might understand - if you try.

Going to what matters, congratulations to you all, dudes. You deserved, cos PT played like shit. There was only one or two guys playing, Moutinho, da Costa (maybe cos he plays for PSV and knows the dutch players better, dunno) and Pereira.

The others were literally watching the match, rather than playing it. We were stollen a penalty (end of 1st half - foul on Moutinho inside the box, 10 times more dangerous than the foul that originated in the legitimate penalty, where you scored the first) but that doesn’t mean anything.

You were the better team, by far.

Loved to see Drenthe playing. Very good player.

Gefeliciteerd, jongens…

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BTW… Goose, since ever, the dutch page, yourself, etc, demonstrate what I felt in my own skin, after years of living in NL - the total unhabitily of the dutch people to withstand criticism… Constructive or not…

Literally, you talk of Tolerance but you act as if you have nothing to learn from different peoples, cultures, etc… It’s as if you can’t even understand those diferences. Or even try…

Only through “your own way thinking”… Usually very rational and also very devoided of content, not considering what counts the most: the human emotional and individual factor.

Specially from a portuguese… Because, after some years of NL, I can also tell you it’s a much different story if the criticism comes from an englishman or an american.

I said something, which is my oppinion about the dutch game, which is what I see on TV, and immediatelly you react like an ofended child… I wasn’t even trying to provoque you, man!!!

Man, this is soooooooooo dutch!

Curiously, PT has a lot of dutch people, that moved permanently. And they love it…

Brasillians are also usually seen as people with a “bad-heart” and Latins (except french) are nothing more than futile and vain, lazy ass-holes…

Eventhough you do your best to copy our playing style…

Like in the 17th century…

This is the country of Tolerance, where a pedophilian political party almost gets away with being legal, under the cover-argument that “one must not repress freedom of speech”…

Man, “debate” (which is far diferent than “protesting”) is almost a pilar of the latin cultures, no matter all their flaws. You should know this, cos France is still THE big cultural reference in The Netherlands…

You must learn to accept, and try to understand, what you don’t like to hear, dude. You don’t have to like it. But you should respect it. If you try to understant it and not overly rationalize about it, all the best for everybody. No…?

That is true Tolerance!

Again, congratulations because in spite of a stolen penalty, I still think NL deserved the victory!

Doeg…

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Pedro, I want to say this too but you say it like i can not say. But it is what I mean to say when I am critical on Dutch. I like the football and I like the players and the historic value of the Dutch football with Cruyff, Van Ganehem and Nannanga and all those greats! But yes, Holland is arrogant, loud, and sometimes not so tolerant. I remember Dutch politician being killed because he is gay and bald right? Good Pedro.

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@PedroP: youre obvious still a bit tence my friend…you say: lets no go there..well then dont! public opinion?? who cares..we lost, you beat us, there were many fouls…thats it

dont think there is much difference between Port and dutch legeau, dont think we are a physical kind of players…whats your point??

on the game: our penalty was a laugh…dont like scoring from that…. was impressed by Veloso and the guy who went in second half as right back, on our side i was very impressed by Drenthe and Donk….Babel sucked and so did Jenner…rest was ok..

grtz

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@BTW :PedroP: well congrats my friend, your comment is without a doubt one of the most stupid things i have ever read!!! well done…its so stupid i really dont know were to begin:

1. what critism?? if you read the dutch blog you will find that is all critism (on our own team and esp. on our manager), you then talk about tollerance in dutch society in general?? you really not want to go their my friend… this is not a political blog but i can educate you….you obvious live or have lived here..you should now better..
you think you know the dutch??? think again

im sure, we dutch are confident enough to hear any critisme….not so sure you are… now please Pedro; give me ONE example of your vision on lack of tolerance on this blog (and dont mention Ish and her stupid: you act like groupies on this blog…cause when its BS im certainly gonna tell, that has nothing to do with tolerance)

im so very sorry we stole those maps in the 17th century and so found our way to the east….it was an easy road after that..we got rid of you guys…we went up..you went down…..sorry (but we are making it up by paying your farmers via the EU!!)

France is by no means a cultural reference in Holland, hasnt been since the 60 (chansons etc)…its USA and GB, nothing else..

our people love your counrty cause of the weather

we dont need to copy your playing style…we have our own since the late 60 and had much more succes than your country…who was copying who??

PedroP, you really pissed me off… you pretend to know things about my country and my people and all you do is talk bullshit…things wich are just not factual…..

you know, i can have a decent discussion with your friend Luis…but you: youre soooooooo full of shit…never talk about my counrty as tough you know anything about it

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@Ish: first think before you write stupid stuff….try google ‘PIM FORTUYN’, read and then talk about those things

you are better of talking about football my friend

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Goose, I’m clearly not the one who’s tense, dude… Rusting, jongen… Je hoef niet bang te zijn.

But you would do yourself a favour if you’d re-study your notions on european history. 12-18 century, maybe… Just a thought…

ps - I don’t really have to answer you and I have made my point already. But I will: Read your own words…

DOEG! Veel succes…

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stupid fool, ive got a univeristy grade in history…master in dutch history, spec. Dutch 16-17 cen. trade (you port. do know about the VOC etc. dont you?) dont ever tell me i ought to re-study

weet je gast, je zit zo vol met onzin dat het verder weinig zin heeft je erop aan te spreken. Misschien kun je me een plezier doen en hier gewoon wegblijven. Ik ben zelf 1 maal op jullie blog geweest, om hulp te vragen en dat heb ik gekregen van luis, verder heb ik daar niets te zoeken. Als je een punt hebt over voetbal, prima, hoe meer verschillende meningen des te beter…maar ga mij aub niets vertellen over Nederland, de nederlandse mentaliteit en over geo-politieke of sociale vraagstukken. Je weet er duidelijk niets van en het zelfs al zou dat wel het geval zijn het heeft op een voetbalblog niets te zoeken.

Bang?? grapje zeker….mooi citaat van Freud voor je;

het enige antwoord op een domme vraag… is de gebalde vuist

sukkeltje

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Mooie voorbeeld van tolerantie van jou…

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voetbal discussie prima
onzin over Nederland en geschiedenis praten niet prima

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You know it’s getting tense when the conversation goes from english to dutch sorry pedro, but we were minding our own Oranje business when you came along and spouted your political/culural nonsense. Please take it elsewhere.

Non Oranje related (sorry):
Goose - what is a good reference to learn about the dutch golden age? I was thinking of Simon Schama’s Embarrasment of Riches. What do you think? I’m interested because I have a dutch ancestor who immigrated to america in the 1600s - Jan Cornelius Buys from Bunnik

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I would like to add to all this, by saying that… no no no no

I’m joking, I do not want to say anything.

Ishmael may want to stop trying to make her point by draggin’ in all sorts of themes she doesn’t know anything about. It strikers me that every time someone - this time Pedro - comes to the blog with a negative comment (which is all good, no worries Pedro, you’ve got a right to voice your opinion) our friend Ish follows that up with a “I told you so” comment…

Ish :-), make an original comment on your feelings/vision on Dutch football and leave it at that, ok?

Sigh….

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@Stephen; Schama’s book is a must..prob. one of the best on the soul of the dutch republic (and the title still stands strong in dutch thinking today) another great anglican auteur on the dutch republic is Israel: heres a link with books and essays

http://www.kb.nl/dossiers/israel/israel-lit1.html

im not really educated on the america - dutch situation.. one i know: russel Shorto: the island at the centre of the world (about the dutch settlement of Manhatten)…ill have a look around, maybe i can find someting about Bunnik (near Utrecht)

grzt

grzt

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thanks goose!

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You might enjoy this as well, stephen… It’s all about the dutch golden age… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch-Portuguese_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Golden_Age#Wealth

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Thanks

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