Comments on: The Trouble with Ajax http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/the-trouble-with-ajax.html World Cup 2010 - South Africa, Oranje, Nederlands Elftal, Eredivisie, Marco van Basten, Dutch football, The Netherlands Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:09:11 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: dashda » Blog Archiv » The Trouble with Ajax http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/the-trouble-with-ajax.html/comment-page-1#comment-103717 dashda » Blog Archiv » The Trouble with Ajax Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:38:54 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/the-trouble-with-ajax.html#comment-103717 [...] here Der Beitrag wurde am Saturday, den 6. October 2007 um 07:35 Uhr veröffentlicht und wurde [...] [...] here Der Beitrag wurde am Saturday, den 6. October 2007 um 07:35 Uhr veröffentlicht und wurde [...]

]]> By: Jan http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/the-trouble-with-ajax.html/comment-page-1#comment-99970 Jan Sun, 07 Oct 2007 11:12:11 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/the-trouble-with-ajax.html#comment-99970 @Bob, I don't think going to Ajax is a step down. Most coaches love the prestige of coaching a national side, but the real action is at clubs. Coz you are not limited to the talent at hand, you can actually buy the players or develop players for certain positions. Plus, you get to work with them daily and you can really mould your team and tactics. I don't think Marco needs the money anymore :-), I do think Ajax is his club and he or his ego would love to coach/train them. Also, I know he is not looking forward to moving house again. His kids go to school in Holland etc. I think the only club he'd like to coach other than Ajax is AC Milan. I also think San Marco believes he can get Ajax back on top (with Schip and Cruyff). @Bob, I don’t think going to Ajax is a step down. Most coaches love the prestige of coaching a national side, but the real action is at clubs. Coz you are not limited to the talent at hand, you can actually buy the players or develop players for certain positions. Plus, you get to work with them daily and you can really mould your team and tactics. I don’t think Marco needs the money anymore :-) , I do think Ajax is his club and he or his ego would love to coach/train them. Also, I know he is not looking forward to moving house again. His kids go to school in Holland etc. I think the only club he’d like to coach other than Ajax is AC Milan.

I also think San Marco believes he can get Ajax back on top (with Schip and Cruyff).

]]> By: Jan http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/the-trouble-with-ajax.html/comment-page-1#comment-99969 Jan Sun, 07 Oct 2007 11:07:36 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/the-trouble-with-ajax.html#comment-99969 @Caleb: the main problem is with Bosman, that now a club like Ajax can invest years in young players. When they're 18 they get a contract, say for three years. This would not be a huge salary of course, the guy is still young. When he performs well, Ajax wants to break open his contract, to pay him more and keep him longer. Some players refuse. They play another two years for a lower salary but after the contract expires, they can go to another club for free. Their managers negotiate a signing fee. And since the new club doesn't need to pay a trasnfer sum, the signing fee can amount to millions of euros. Plus the big salary. So, if a guy like Drenthe would be out of his contract at Feyenoord (he wasn't) then he could ask 5 Mio euros to sign for Real + a fat paycheck every year. In this way, young players are financially secure way before they're 23 years old. The main problem is 1) clubs tend not to want to invest in youth development and 2) young and slightly unbalanced players get too much money too young and ruin their lives. Now, clubs will need to pay some sort of "development-fee" to the club where the youngster was developed, but that's peanuts really. But when Kuyt left for Liverpool, part of the transfer money went to FC Katwijk, the amateur club Kuyt started before signing for FC Utrecht. This is why Davids, Reiziger, Bogarde and Kluivert went to AC Milan, transfer free in 1996 (or 1997). Tcha-king!!! (cash register sound). @Caleb: the main problem is with Bosman, that now a club like Ajax can invest years in young players. When they’re 18 they get a contract, say for three years. This would not be a huge salary of course, the guy is still young. When he performs well, Ajax wants to break open his contract, to pay him more and keep him longer. Some players refuse. They play another two years for a lower salary but after the contract expires, they can go to another club for free. Their managers negotiate a signing fee. And since the new club doesn’t need to pay a trasnfer sum, the signing fee can amount to millions of euros. Plus the big salary. So, if a guy like Drenthe would be out of his contract at Feyenoord (he wasn’t) then he could ask 5 Mio euros to sign for Real + a fat paycheck every year. In this way, young players are financially secure way before they’re 23 years old. The main problem is 1) clubs tend not to want to invest in youth development and 2) young and slightly unbalanced players get too much money too young and ruin their lives. Now, clubs will need to pay some sort of “development-fee” to the club where the youngster was developed, but that’s peanuts really. But when Kuyt left for Liverpool, part of the transfer money went to FC Katwijk, the amateur club Kuyt started before signing for FC Utrecht.

This is why Davids, Reiziger, Bogarde and Kluivert went to AC Milan, transfer free in 1996 (or 1997). Tcha-king!!! (cash register sound).

]]> By: goose http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/the-trouble-with-ajax.html/comment-page-1#comment-99959 goose Sun, 07 Oct 2007 09:40:30 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/the-trouble-with-ajax.html#comment-99959 they need to learn that theyll never be a top euro team ever again... they maybe will get to the semis of the CL once in a while but to say; "we want to be in the top 16 of euro clubs" is not realistic..you should always built on realism and not on some dreams... they need to learn that theyll never be a top euro team ever again… they maybe will get to the semis of the CL once in a while but to say; “we want to be in the top 16 of euro clubs” is not realistic..you should always built on realism and not on some dreams…

]]> By: Caleb http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/the-trouble-with-ajax.html/comment-page-1#comment-99958 Caleb Sun, 07 Oct 2007 09:40:19 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/the-trouble-with-ajax.html#comment-99958 I just read up on the Bosman ruling. I knew what it was before, but I didn't know the whole story (it was a little before my time - I didn't start really getting interested in football until sometime after the 98 world cup) and I was surprised to read that before the Bosman ruling clubs could stop a trade of a player even after their contract with the club expired. That doesn't really make much sense to me. But now I understand why the Bosman was bad for Dutch football and Ajax, with the other part of the Bosman meaning that teams weren't limited to only 3 non-national players anymore. So now all of our great talent leaves for other clubs instead of staying and playing in the Dutch league. And now we have teams like PSV that field teams with only one Dutch player. I just read up on the Bosman ruling. I knew what it was before, but I didn’t know the whole story (it was a little before my time – I didn’t start really getting interested in football until sometime after the 98 world cup) and I was surprised to read that before the Bosman ruling clubs could stop a trade of a player even after their contract with the club expired. That doesn’t really make much sense to me.

But now I understand why the Bosman was bad for Dutch football and Ajax, with the other part of the Bosman meaning that teams weren’t limited to only 3 non-national players anymore. So now all of our great talent leaves for other clubs instead of staying and playing in the Dutch league. And now we have teams like PSV that field teams with only one Dutch player.

]]> By: Lerkot http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/the-trouble-with-ajax.html/comment-page-1#comment-99952 Lerkot Sun, 07 Oct 2007 09:16:03 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/the-trouble-with-ajax.html#comment-99952 Dont know if they have to learn anything really, they shouldnt give up fighting for being a top team, but they should do it in a different way really. Dont know if they have to learn anything really, they shouldnt give up fighting for being a top team, but they should do it in a different way really.

]]> By: goose http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/the-trouble-with-ajax.html/comment-page-1#comment-99948 goose Sun, 07 Oct 2007 08:53:02 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/the-trouble-with-ajax.html#comment-99948 @Lerkot; thats true, its not like right after Bosman when the players just walked away free .. but dont you agree that Ajax still has to learn that they will never be the european powerhouse they once were..think its a mentality chhange wich has to grow, they have to be realistic! @Lerkot; thats true, its not like right after Bosman when the players just walked away free .. but dont you agree that Ajax still has to learn that they will never be the european powerhouse they once were..think its a mentality chhange wich has to grow, they have to be realistic!

]]> By: Lerkot http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/the-trouble-with-ajax.html/comment-page-1#comment-99936 Lerkot Sun, 07 Oct 2007 07:50:24 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/the-trouble-with-ajax.html#comment-99936 I feel Ajax has sort of learnt to handle the Bosman problem. They write longer contracts and often sell in time to get good money. I feel Ajax has sort of learnt to handle the Bosman problem. They write longer contracts and often sell in time to get good money.

]]> By: tjeerd http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/the-trouble-with-ajax.html/comment-page-1#comment-99878 tjeerd Sun, 07 Oct 2007 00:21:20 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/the-trouble-with-ajax.html#comment-99878 Good Article. As a Feyenoord fan I have to concede that Ajax needs to be a European powerhouse for Dutch pride. A stong Ajax is good for Dutch soccer.The history and tradition needs to be brought front and center with a team that competes with the AC Milans, Man U's, Real's etc. Its like a strong New York Yankees is good for baseball, A strong Notre Dame is good for US College Football. A strong Toronto Maple Leafs is good for Hockey. John de Mol, Billionaire. If he has a sense and heart for Ajax, then he can bring Ajax to greatness. Good Article. As a Feyenoord fan I have to concede that Ajax needs to be a European powerhouse for Dutch pride. A stong Ajax is good for Dutch soccer.The history and tradition needs to be brought front and center with a team that competes with the AC Milans, Man U’s, Real’s etc. Its like a strong New York Yankees is good for baseball, A strong Notre Dame is good for US College Football. A strong Toronto Maple Leafs is good for Hockey.

John de Mol, Billionaire. If he has a sense and heart for Ajax, then he can bring Ajax to greatness.

]]> By: goose http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/the-trouble-with-ajax.html/comment-page-1#comment-99846 goose Sat, 06 Oct 2007 20:22:40 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/the-trouble-with-ajax.html#comment-99846 BTW: may I hear some applause for Goose the visionair!! told you guys tenCate would be gone before Christmas....this is a great moment for me!! haha WIJ HOUDEN VAN ORANJE!!! BTW: may I hear some applause for Goose the visionair!! told you guys tenCate would be gone before Christmas….this is a great moment for me!! haha

WIJ HOUDEN VAN ORANJE!!!

]]>