Second CL matches coming up

Anyone else hate Ibrahimovic too?

Why are so many good players such bastards?

Posted from  Japan

i hate Zlatan like theres no tomorrow… thinks hes on my ‘most hated list’ right after Totti

hes not that good a player… more of a circus act!!

when he played in Holland he was well known for his elbowing and fighting with his Ajax teammates

grts

Posted from  Netherlands

you are not alone: i hate zlatan too.

i remember the end of his ajay days when je had problems with vdv… but actually he’s a very good player with not too much discipline and tactical sense. anyway inter is a players’ cemetery, so the whole team is like ibrahimovic: cordoba,vieira,burdisso,etc.

Posted from  Hungary

well, he has got some nice tricks and he made some great goals, i give him that.. but the rest sucks.. would not want to be his teammate

Inter; since it took those years from Bergkamp’s career i hate them even more than i did before… i remember that all those WC90 germans played there; Brehme, Matheus (hes high on the list too btw!! haha)
inter is a shit team and always will be (until dutch players go there again and ill be a fan!! hahaha)

grtz

Posted from  Netherlands

Goose–you sound angry, and with many footballers–too little sleep with the new baby son?

The players you dislike–and I understand your emotion–are men with huge egos and small brains. No matter how good they are, or how popular, they all forget that this is a GAME, that they are ENTERTAINERS, and that they otherwise serve no useful purpose. When they come with talent, those that should know better (coaches, team-mates, owners) enable their lousy attitudes by keeping them happy and continually telling them how wonderful they are. Why should we expect them to act like mature adults when they are constantly being told that their attitude and behavior is acceptable. The difference between a Dennis Bergkamp and a Ibrahimovic is light years, and NO ONE will remember Ib. when he is gone. Dennis, however, continues to grow in the role of the icon which represents all that is best about the great sport of football.

So, go give your Dennis a hug and forget about all of these other assholes–they do not deserve the waste of your emotions.

Posted from  United States

@Bob; hehehe… youre sooo right.. all systems down almost..Dennis is not the sleeping type right now, haha

but eh, this is the such a nice place for me to have a go.. and have to say that even before the birth a had my ‘í hate him’ moments

ill go huging right now..cheers Bob

grzt

Posted from  Netherlands

btw Bob; did you see the VAN team i made for you??

grtz

Posted from  Netherlands

I think Zlatan is a great player. Whatever team he plays with performs well. He is yet to not win Serie A. He won in Juve and then Inter and maybe again in Inter this year and he won in Ajax. I wasnt a big fan of him at first but Ive learnt to understand him with time and he is truly brilliant though he is not the best of scorers and not very intelligent outside of the pitch. But I liked the comments he made in the Swedish movie Blådårar 2.

Zlatan: “My mother has had a tough life… she has given birth to.. how many kids has she?”

Zlatans brother: “Dont know. Five-six.”

And Goose, isnt it hard to be Dutch and to dislike players with big egos? Dutch players are sort of the masters of big ego, Lots of Winston Bogardes.

I like Zlatan. As a player. As a person he is a spoilt brat I think. Although he did plead to the Inter Milan management to get…hold on….Rafael van der Vaart. The player he fought with at Ajax, that’s right. He said, if you want me to excel and win the CL, get Raf from HSV!!

Bob is absolutely right again with his analysis.

On Bogarde. I happen to know a bit about his background (he was a young striker at Sparta when one of my mates played there, and I hung out with him at Sparta a lot).
Bogarde is a shy and introvert guy who was picked up a lot in his youth and who was somewhat insecure (his father left the family when he was young etc etc). He wanted to make it big as a player to take care of his poor family (a bit like Zlatan). He nearly didn’t make it (as a striker) and when Van Gaal scooped him up to turn him into a defender he grabbed this last chance. He became part of the Kabel-”family” at Ajax and he sensed that the only way to survive at Ajax or at the highest level of football he needed to protect himself, on the pitch and off. So he became tough as nails. He knew that if he let the team down, Van Gaal would bench him: end of career! And the press were very on his case with all the bling and gold so he had some bad experiences with the press too. In fact, Bogarde is not a dumb guy but he acts the gangsta a bit to shield himself. He did well. He made money with Ajax and BIG money in Italy and wirh Chelsea. He may not be looked upon as a great player or the most admired defender or whatever, but his family is financially secure and Bogarde succeeded in the football jungle. I actually like the guy.

Posted from  Australia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgqsaDnsEq8&mode=related&search=

I do not know much about Zlatan, other then his playing for Ajax. What happened between him and Vandervaart?

I had heard about his conflict with vDv and was curious to see how he would perform in Italy. There is no doubt that he has a tremendous amount of talent but regardless of his reasons for wanting to make it in football, or whether he helps old ladies cross the street, or he kicks his cat when it squawks, his desire on the pitch and his commitment to the team lacks. I’ve seen him pout and give up on balls he could of gotten too with a bit of hustle. He’s not in my starting 11.

Posted from  Canada

I like van der Vaarts expression. It looks like its exactly the moment where he realises he is going to play in Hamburg while Zlatan will play in Juventus and Inter.

Jan: Oh okey. I think im gonna tell that to Andreas Andersson, his former mate in Milan. Andreas said the following about Bogarde:
“Bogarde was an dedicated egoist and extreme in all kind of ways. That man could never be wrong, he never made a bad pass and missed all kind of self critisism. And he saw himself as Gods gift to humanity.
During pre-season training we almost always trained two times a day and sometimes we ran this one kilometer road in smaller groups. The instructions was easy and clear. There was to be a high tempo but at the same time, the groups was to stick together. Jesper Blomqvist was in Bogardes group and Bogarde always wanted to show his physical excellence to everyone, so he always ran ahead of everyone else. When the other players reached Bogarde in order to follow the trainers instructions, he just increased the pace until he again was a bit ahead of the others.
Afterwards, Jesper tried some ironi and he kidded in a way that could not in any way be missunderstood. He said laughed and said in a phony voice that “oh, hat a big, strong and well trained guy you are who run so fast that no-one of us has a chance to keep the same pace”. The deadly serious Bogarde didnt get that everyone was kidding with him so he just stretched himself, lift his chest and said with his superior attitude – “It is normal. It is always like this”.
No one could really take him seriously. The worst of all was there wasnt any sense of irony at Bogarde. He was always dead serious in showing how fantasticly good he was. If Bogarde made a bad pass, it was always someone else fault. Bogarde saw himself as a sun with no spots. Somewhere it went really bad in his childhood”.

@Lerkot; you should try and read Bogardes autobio..its called;

this negro bows for nobody!

really!! Bogarde has the ‘ i am a victim all the time and everybody hates me’ disease…he was a pathetic human beeing

ofcourse i hate Bogarde and yes Lerkot dutch footballers have big ego’s but if i compare them with plyers from other countries they do alright

how come you get so tence when Zlatan is getting bashed?? he a friend of yours??

rtz

Posted from  Netherlands

I think the rift between Rafael and Zlatan had everything to do with “who is the top dog”. Zlatan wanted to be the star, Raf was the star. Raf and Wesley Sneijder were the two leaders and if they liked you, you were ok. Stuff like that. Zlatan said Raf and Wes didn’t give him the ball in the game and avoided him and all that. It came to fisticuffs every now and then.

as for Bogarde… I can see that actually happening. I think Bogarde made this alter ego when he got to Ajax and after that he was out of control. I haven’t heard that story you mentioned but I can imagine it to be true. He didn’t have enough self-esteem and over-compensated with his alpha male behaviour.

I wonder what he is doing now…

Posted from  Australia

In my account earlier on, when I said I hung out with “him” at Sparta, I didn’t mean Bogarde by the way, but with my mate…

Posted from  Australia

Goose: Yup.. close friend. No, your free to bash him. He is not a favorite player of mine. To call him “not that good a player” is just ignorant though.

And well… I wouldnt say that Dutch players have bigger egos than most Croatian, Serbian, Bosnian etc players but they sure have bigger egos than players from GB,, Spain, Scandinavia or Brazil. Can you mention one player in the Ajax 1995 team who doesnt think he is the king of the world?

@Jan; you actually somewhat mellowed me about Bogarde..but its difficult; were does the playing end and the true person begins

Posted from  Netherlands

@Lerkot; people from Amsterdam dont count! hahaaha.. even the garbage men in A’dam are arrogant…

think in pricibel the dutch are much like the Scan people and the english (both most popular neighbours)..the ‘foreigners’like Surinam and Maroccon have quit a differnt approach to life

Posted from  Netherlands

Yeah well even the Dutch people in Amsterdam has a quite different approach to life I must say. But I see what you mean.

Marcus Allbäck said that Dutch people were kind of like Swedes but a bit more open.

One player from Ajax 1995 who always remained “normal” to me is Marc Overmars. He still lives in his ol’ town, he runs a vintage car shop and a restaurant, is very approachable, open and with lots of self mocking humor. Jari Litmanen of course (Finnish, I know). Stefan Petterson… Swede, I know.
Petterson to me is one of the unsung heroes of Dutch football. He didn’t score a lot as a striker should, but man, was he smart and could he read the game. I think truly Dennis Bergkamp should pay 10% of all his career earnings to Stefan, really…

Posted from  Australia

i have actually met Petterson… great guy…very open and very funny too

those Scandi players are always very popular in Holland cause theyre relatively quiet people

an other ‘unsung hero of mine: Luc Nillis….what a joy it was to see this belgium guy play!

btw; Lerkot; Zlatan proved my point yesterday, hahaha…new it was gonna haunt me!

grtz

Posted from  Netherlands