Comments on: Ruud van Gol: Shivering and Cheering with Becks http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/ruud-van-gol-shivering-and-cheering-with-becks.html World Cup 2010 - South Africa, Oranje, Nederlands Elftal, Eredivisie, Marco van Basten, Dutch football, The Netherlands Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:10:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Jan http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/ruud-van-gol-shivering-and-cheering-with-becks.html/comment-page-1#comment-78168 Jan Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:13:06 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/ruud-van-gol-shivering-and-cheering-with-becks.html#comment-78168 Agree with that Mario. Sneijder has played in the defensive role and it does come down to discipline... Agree with that Mario. Sneijder has played in the defensive role and it does come down to discipline…

]]> By: Mario http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/ruud-van-gol-shivering-and-cheering-with-becks.html/comment-page-1#comment-77930 Mario Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:29:33 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/ruud-van-gol-shivering-and-cheering-with-becks.html#comment-77930 Igor, I think that your lineup seems offensive but if all midfielders do their defensive duties properly then it can work and van Basten should try a line up like the one that you are suggesting because the players you name are by far the best players of the oranje. Perhaps a guy like van Bommel will have to be considered too but as we know he is out of the picture now but I think your ideas are great man. Sneijder, van der Vaart and Seedorf are all round players that can play together easily. I think van Persie should have a more attacking frame of mind but at times he will have to drop back to start a new attack but I like that kind of formation! Igor, I think that your lineup seems offensive but if all midfielders do their defensive duties properly then it can work and van Basten should try a line up like the one that you are suggesting because the players you name are by far the best players of the oranje. Perhaps a guy like van Bommel will have to be considered too but as we know he is out of the picture now but I think your ideas are great man. Sneijder, van der Vaart and Seedorf are all round players that can play together easily. I think van Persie should have a more attacking frame of mind but at times he will have to drop back to start a new attack but I like that kind of formation!

]]> By: Igor http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/ruud-van-gol-shivering-and-cheering-with-becks.html/comment-page-1#comment-77923 Igor Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:17:30 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/ruud-van-gol-shivering-and-cheering-with-becks.html#comment-77923 @Jan and Mario, I would love to see an attacking line up with seedorf, sneijder and vd vaart in mid and v persie, ruud and robben up front. that is my favourite combination but i have never posted it because i thought that such a line up would not be very balanced...it lacks a defensive minded midfielder, and therefore i am not sure it would work in real life. what do you guys think? you must think that it would be feasible...are you thinking that sneijder could play in a defensive role? or that we should just go for all out attack? @Jan and Mario,

I would love to see an attacking line up with seedorf, sneijder and vd vaart in mid and v persie, ruud and robben up front. that is my favourite combination but i have never posted it because i thought that such a line up would not be very balanced…it lacks a defensive minded midfielder, and therefore i am not sure it would work in real life. what do you guys think? you must think that it would be feasible…are you thinking that sneijder could play in a defensive role? or that we should just go for all out attack?

]]> By: Miguel Rosado http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/ruud-van-gol-shivering-and-cheering-with-becks.html/comment-page-1#comment-77834 Miguel Rosado Wed, 20 Jun 2007 05:57:49 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/ruud-van-gol-shivering-and-cheering-with-becks.html#comment-77834 3-5-2 (another option) with Heitinga as midfielder, with Afellay and Seedorf in the center stealing balls and passing to the wings for Robben and Kuyt to center and also with van Persie as the shadow striker and of course with Ruud up there. Heitinga would drop when we are being attacked and when he goes up the Seedorf or Afellay take on his position. I think Kuyt did great last year as right winger and he also fights back to recuperate balls so that's good. Edwin Kromkamp, Mathijsen, Emanuelson Heitinga Afellay Seedorf Kuyt Robben Persie Nistelrooy 3-5-2 (another option) with Heitinga as midfielder, with Afellay and Seedorf in the center stealing balls and passing to the wings for Robben and Kuyt to center and also with van Persie as the shadow striker and of course with Ruud up there. Heitinga would drop when we are being attacked and when he goes up the Seedorf or Afellay take on his position. I think Kuyt did great last year as right winger and he also fights back to recuperate balls so that’s good.

Edwin

Kromkamp, Mathijsen, Emanuelson

Heitinga

Afellay Seedorf

Kuyt Robben

Persie

Nistelrooy

]]> By: Mario http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/ruud-van-gol-shivering-and-cheering-with-becks.html/comment-page-1#comment-77825 Mario Wed, 20 Jun 2007 04:11:56 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/ruud-van-gol-shivering-and-cheering-with-becks.html#comment-77825 Well here I come with my favorite lineups for the moment. As we all know Holland plays 4-3-3 under van Basten so I will field my first eleven according to that system and I will take the freedom to line up a 4-4-2 formation in the rhombus formation and the 4-4-2 formation with two central midfielders. You can have your thoughts about my lineups, every comment is welcomed. 4-3-3 van der Sar Kromkamp- Heitinga- Emmanuelson Mathijsen ________________________________ Seedorf- Sneijder- Rafa ________________________________ van Persie- Ruud - Robben 4-4-2 as a rhombus van der Sar Kromkamp- Heitinga -Emmanuelson Mathijsen ________________________________ Davids(Sneijder or vBommel) Seedorf Rafa Robben ________________________________ Ruud van Persie 4-4-2 (or 4-4-1-1) with two central mids van der Sar Kromkamp- Heitinga - Emmanuelson Mathijsen ________________________________ Sneijder Seedorf Babel Robben ________________________________ van Persie ________________________________ Ruud van Nistelrooy I think that for left back Gio and de Cler are very good players but I like the speed and technique of Emmanuelson better and Kromkamp for me is a younger than Melchiot and it is true he has to get better at a one on one confrontation vs a speedy forward but he has a lot of talent. I also believe thay players like Davids and van Bommel still have what it takes to be considerd for the squad because both of them played very well last year. Well my friends, those are my lineups today, but I´ll keep an eye on Drenthe and Afellay, those two boys will be playing in the starting eleven in not a very long time. Well here I come with my favorite lineups for the moment. As we all know Holland plays 4-3-3 under van Basten so I will field my first eleven according to that system and I will take the freedom to line up a 4-4-2 formation in the rhombus formation and the 4-4-2 formation with two central midfielders. You can have your thoughts about my lineups, every comment is welcomed.

4-3-3

van der Sar

Kromkamp- Heitinga- Emmanuelson
Mathijsen
________________________________

Seedorf- Sneijder- Rafa

________________________________

van Persie- Ruud – Robben

4-4-2 as a rhombus

van der Sar

Kromkamp- Heitinga -Emmanuelson
Mathijsen
________________________________

Davids(Sneijder or vBommel)

Seedorf Rafa

Robben
________________________________

Ruud van Persie

4-4-2 (or 4-4-1-1)
with two central mids

van der Sar

Kromkamp- Heitinga – Emmanuelson
Mathijsen
________________________________

Sneijder Seedorf

Babel Robben
________________________________

van Persie
________________________________

Ruud van Nistelrooy

I think that for left back Gio and de Cler are very good players but I like the speed and technique of Emmanuelson better and Kromkamp for me is a younger than Melchiot and it is true he has to get better at a one on one confrontation vs a speedy forward but he has a lot of talent. I also believe thay players like Davids and van Bommel still have what it takes to be considerd for the squad because both of them played very well last year. Well my friends, those are my lineups today, but I´ll keep an eye on Drenthe and Afellay, those two boys will be playing in the starting eleven in not a very long time.

]]> By: Jan http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/ruud-van-gol-shivering-and-cheering-with-becks.html/comment-page-1#comment-77814 Jan Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:46:10 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/ruud-van-gol-shivering-and-cheering-with-becks.html#comment-77814 hear hear... SAR Melchiot - Boulah - Mathijsen - De Cler Seedorf Sneijder Vaart Persie Ruud Robben Ouch :-)... hear hear…

SAR

Melchiot – Boulah – Mathijsen – De Cler

Seedorf Sneijder Vaart

Persie Ruud Robben

Ouch :-) …

]]> By: Mario http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/ruud-van-gol-shivering-and-cheering-with-becks.html/comment-page-1#comment-77764 Mario Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:14:35 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/ruud-van-gol-shivering-and-cheering-with-becks.html#comment-77764 I think it is funny that there is such a debate about the formations. I actually think formations can be important but nothing will work if you don´t field your best players. I see deHaan´s team playing with the best he has at his disposal while van Basten´s team often benches players like Seedorf or Huntelaar or Ruud and pissed Mark van Bommel so if you don´t play your best man any system you use will fail. But I think that after this past season that just finished Marco will have no other choice but to field Seedorf and van Nistelrooy as starters for sure because they had an extraordinary year and people will not forgive San Marco if he starts benching our Pichichi and our European Champion to play Landzaat or deJong or Venegoor!. I think that Marco already knows that and from now on he will stop trying average players at his first eleven and will start doing the logical thing....playing van der Sar, Heitinga, Seedorf, Robben, Sneijder, van der Vaart, van Nistelrooy, van Persie; the best players around. But if he fields the best players and the team continues playing like in the last games then we will have to ask once again what is Marco doing as the national coach when Holland has great coaches that can easily make it much better that San Marco. As a said before, if Holland fields these players the system is irrelevant but first you have to play them all of them together to see what can happen because since San Marco is coach of the Netherlands I have never seen Ruud and Seedorf play together as just an example. And an excellent team is the one that can play in different systems during a game and perhaps the 4-3-3 used by van Basten lacks that. The 4-3-3 used by van Basten is very rigid while the one uses by coaches like van Gaal and Cruyff has much more movement between the lines and there we have the big difference between the systems, the system does not matter, what matters is to know how to play it and according to that I agree with Cruyff but it seems the Dutch National Team under van Basten still doesn´t know and doesn´t understand what the coach wants and it shows when Holland plays because you see the players very rigid on their positions, not many alternatives, they don´t change position oftenly and that´s is what is wrong about San Marco´s team. Anyway, I am curious to see the lineup against Bulgaria on September and I want to see Seedorf and van Nistelrooy as starters and the team playing better than before because Romania and Bulgaria are very close to us in the qualifying group so there is no margin for error and Bulgaria will go with everything they have and I can´t tell what will happen if we lose, thay I am positive that it will not be the case this time. =) I think it is funny that there is such a debate about the formations. I actually think formations can be important but nothing will work if you don´t field your best players. I see deHaan´s team playing with the best he has at his disposal while van Basten´s team often benches players like Seedorf or Huntelaar or Ruud and pissed Mark van Bommel so if you don´t play your best man any system you use will fail.
But I think that after this past season that just finished Marco will have no other choice but to field Seedorf and van Nistelrooy as starters for sure because they had an extraordinary year and people will not forgive San Marco if he starts benching our Pichichi and our European Champion to play Landzaat or deJong or Venegoor!.

I think that Marco already knows that and from now on he will stop trying average players at his first eleven and will start doing the logical thing….playing van der Sar, Heitinga, Seedorf, Robben, Sneijder, van der Vaart, van Nistelrooy, van Persie; the best players around.
But if he fields the best players and the team continues playing like in the last games then we will have to ask once again what is Marco doing as the national coach when Holland has great coaches that can easily make it much better that San Marco.
As a said before, if Holland fields these players the system is irrelevant but first you have to play them all of them together to see what can happen because since San Marco is coach of the Netherlands I have never seen Ruud and Seedorf play together as just an example. And an excellent team is the one that can play in different systems during a game and perhaps the 4-3-3 used by van Basten lacks that. The 4-3-3 used by van Basten is very rigid while the one uses by coaches like van Gaal and Cruyff has much more movement between the lines and there we have the big difference between the systems, the system does not matter, what matters is to know how to play it and according to that I agree with Cruyff but it seems the Dutch National Team under van Basten still doesn´t know and doesn´t understand what the coach wants and it shows when Holland plays because you see the players very rigid on their positions, not many alternatives, they don´t change position oftenly and that´s is what is wrong about San Marco´s team.
Anyway, I am curious to see the lineup against Bulgaria on September and I want to see Seedorf and van Nistelrooy as starters and the team playing better than before because Romania and Bulgaria are very close to us in the qualifying group so there is no margin for error and Bulgaria will go with everything they have and I can´t tell what will happen if we lose, thay I am positive that it will not be the case this time. =)

]]> By: stephen http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/ruud-van-gol-shivering-and-cheering-with-becks.html/comment-page-1#comment-77760 stephen Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:44:12 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/ruud-van-gol-shivering-and-cheering-with-becks.html#comment-77760 Well said Ruud, the guy is on the verge of winning a second title in a row and has qualified for the Olympics, and we are questioning his formations? Gimme a break. Actually give Foppe a break. Well said Ruud, the guy is on the verge of winning a second title in a row and has qualified for the Olympics, and we are questioning his formations? Gimme a break. Actually give Foppe a break.

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