Preliminary Oranje Selection

3-5-2 is the worst system in the whole world. It is often much more defensive to play with three defenders than with four, cause with three, all three tend to stay in defense. If you play with wing backs, you often only have two defenders staying back.

Very true Lerkot; you can have two central defenders (Mathijssen/Boula) who stay back at all time and you can have wing backs who can attack..thats why i chose Kromkamp, he can attack..
also; almost all oppositions play without wingers so the wingbacks have much freedom

still think 4-3-3 will fit us the most

grtz

Posted from  Netherlands

Goose,

4-3-3 would be wonderful if most of the top professionals played that. But they don’t - so it doesn’t work out so well, unfortunately.

Oranje could do a lot worse than going with it, sticking Van N and Van P up front, and having Robben, Babel or some other fast and furious guy playing on the wing in the mid-field.

I also am not a huge fan of the 3 man defensive line. Works if you have superstar defenders who can shut an area down. Not so hot, when you have OK defenders. Oranje doesn’t have a superstar on the backline now - they really have to put 4 back there. Also, to allow one of the guys on the side to go up with the ball - that’s true too.

Lastly, I hope Oranje is thinking ahead on who they will sub in. Who are the guys you want to go whole hog for 45 to 60 minutes that you can then replace.

Posted from  United States

Nah, know its a neverending discussion (know its been discussed on this blog many times) but in my heart i’m with Cryijff on this one..

just the idea that we need something to tell us apart from all the others (like you say nobody plays 4-3-3 anymore but i then reason the other way around cause then you know for sure that your opponant will have to adept to you (keeping the back at the sideline)
the one thing we always had was a great attack, i think 4-3-3 is the best system for an attacking team
sure, if you have no wingers its no use..but if you do!!
think Robben is a winger, Babal can play winger and there are some guys coming up…btw even 4-3-3 is not a static system, positions can/will and should be changed troughout the game (thats total football isnt it?)

cant wait for the first game..seems like ages that Oranje played a competitive match!

grzt

Posted from  Netherlands

It has been ages since they had a competitive match. But you’re absolutely right that having a winger with a back to the sideline is a good idea.

Just think that defensively you need at least 4 guys in the mid-field. Transitioning to the attack one of the mid-field wingers should move up. And Robben is very good at that.

Van P did a good job at that occasionally in the WC.

One note - if your team can’t comfortably play a system - you can’t dictate the style of play in a game. It only works when your team is comfortable in its roles.

Posted from  United States

4-3-3 is the best suited, especially as a national formation. However, it should never be unalterable. Start with a 4-3-3 and if the game isn’t going your way, change things up, add more attackers, etc. I find so often 4-3-3 is the only system we ever use despite what the game situation is….

Anyways, I think 4-3-3 is the best system if we could just find some wingers who could do their job. I find often Robben wants to the superstar hero by scoring all the goals and he loses focus of his role. He needs to focus on his job as a winger (crossing, supporting, making wide runs, knowing when to attack…) and I think he will find more success then he has acheived in an Oranje shirt so far….

I think he is one of the main reasons our strikers have been left out to dry for the past two years.

Posted from  Republic Of Korea

For me, there’s too much focus on systems. It doesn’t matter to me. 4-4-2 or 4-3-3. I’m not religious about it. Both systems can offer great dominating football. For 4-3-3 you do need wingers who can pass their oponent and go for the line to cross a ball in. We don’t seem to have those players. We have more passers and dribblers, but Robben and v Persie always want to go through the center of the pitch. RvN is the only good header up front (although v Persie knows how to use his head too)… I don’t know. I love the passing game. High paced, quick positioning… Sometimes it’s Robben who goes wide, next time it’s the full back who ends up playing deep winger. Total Football!

Posted from  Australia

So it seems both drenthe and robben to real madrid.. !!
eurosport is stating that the Liga champs have agreed to a fee of 14m euros for the new dutch hot prospect.
Im not sure where robben is in his contract discussions, but everyone is saying it doesnt look too good for him in chelsea anymore.

Im relishing the prospect of drenthe, robben and rvn, directed by dutch loving schuster.

Also on the drenthe issue, this upcoming season id say is the one to decide his future. if he fails, by next year, he’ll just be another failed hot prospect, who left home too soon. but if he manages to become a regular at bernabeu, he may very well steal emanuelson’s place for the first eleven in euro08.

Posted from  Canada

i biliv playing wid 2 strikers is agood move coz we have RVP who can play as a supporting strikers n lone stiker as well i mean main striker we have kuyt who is best suited in suppoorting role n we have rvn who doesnt need any explanation
robben can play in either wing
van der vaart n sneijder wil b the two attackin MF i think rvdv can play in wings as well wat we lack is a good defensive or holding midfield i dont kno bout the players playing in dutch league coz that league i cant follow in ma tv
but wat i have noticed is dat van bommel despite being unpopular is best fitted in dat role so 4.1.3.2 wud b a nice move i guess
as far as defenders r concerned heitinga n mathijssen wud b an obvious choice and bouma cud make as a right wing we have gio as well in dat role so a right back is wat we need kromkamp? not the best in business. de cler a centre back or full back i dont kno much. dong ???
anyway in papers we r the best team in the world .. one of the best prob amongst top 3
in field …. let us see

Posted from  Nepal

bouma in left wing is wat i shud have written

Posted from  Nepal

Hey Jan (nog een andere Jan),
ik ben van de andere blog van Zwitserland. Mooi elftal toch!

Ik moet nog kijken wat het Zwitserlandse team zal zijn!

Mischien zal ik ook naar Genève gaan om de wedstrijd te zien!

Ik weet niet wie ik moet steunen (want ik ben half nederlands en in Zwitserland geboren!)

Posted from  Italy

Jan Twee,

Ga met die Oranje half in voetbal.

Geen echte vraag daar over.

Posted from  United States

Hi Jan from Der Schweiz… How fun is this eh :-)?

If you go and watch the game (please do!) could you write a little review?

Posted from  Australia

Deal samuel knight
My dear
van basten
it is my request to u plz do not take kew jaliens,Tim de cler , if u want to win the game by at least 2-0.
a heartiest orange fan(a a foolish indian)

Dear van basten
if u want to win the trophies like worldcup & Euro
U need talent+hardworking +brilliant+unselfish players
luckly NEDS had enough players

Van basten do not drop castelen,bakal ,evander zno & hedwings maduro,nestel ruuy by taking nigel de jong , denny lansaat,dirk quite, haiselink,znieder

Dear vanbasten
if u want to win worldcup &Euro player selection should be like this
According to Priority
1 Talent
2 Hardworking
3 Brilliance
4 Shear confidence
5 Physical seize of the player
Remmember the copa america final Brazil Vs Argentina
Did see Messy in tat match
So beware

Dear van basten
according to me our diffenders list
Rayan Donk &
Wilfrod bouma left defenders ( remmember u need good physical size)
Andre ooiger
Joris Math jenson
Ron vaarl
GIjs Luirink (central defenders)

Jhony Heitinga
&
Gianni zuiverloon(right defenders)
Urby emmanuelson &
Khalid bulahruz(optionals in case of injury)

Midfelders according 4-3-3
Rafel vader varrt ,
otoman bakal AND
Royston Drenthe Attacking mid feilders
Evander zno,
Hdwings Maduro and
Stin Scarrs Defencive mid feiders
In case of injury
Zeadorf optional for vander vart
Znider optional for Bakal
GIOvani vanbronk optional for scarrs

Formation with 4-3-3
Roban, Hantlaar,Vanpersie
drenthe , Castelen, hedwings
Donk ,ron varrl ,ooiger, heitinga
Vander sar

I always wonder if Marco actually reads this blog

Posted from  Australia

Dear Jan our orange will not get euro2008 if vanbasten is taking kew jaliens,tim de cler,dirk quite,zeadorf,haiselink,boula hruz

and denny lannd saat

Dear jan
see the formula(our subs should be like this0
with 4-3-3
or 4-4-2

Nestel rooy =Hantlaar
Vanpersie= castelen romeo
Roban= Babel
vaart=bakal = zeadorf (any two should be selected)
Hedwings = evander Zno
Schaars= Drenthe
Rayan donk= wilfrod bouma
Ronvarl= luirink
Math jenson= andre ooiger
heitinga= zuiverloon
vander sar= martyn stekelenburg
Boy water man

Dear jan
tim de cler,denny landsaat,kew jaliens
These plyers dont have offencive skills
bulhruz dont have offencive skill and he and above collegues wiil kill the offencive game
dirk quite is not a good finisher( remmeber match againgst portugal in 2006 germany and so many matches)
ze dorf can not shoot a penalty ( a weak penalty taker)
We can not expect miracle from him.if u want to win world cup & euro some times u need miracles from any body

VAN BASTEN OPE U A GOOD BUT JUST WANTED TO INFORM ALL ORANJE FANS THAT WE SHALL QUALIFY NO MATTER THE CASE MAY BE. I PREFFER ANY OTHER PLAYER TO PLAY DEFENCE THAN OOIJER BECAUSE U HAVE SEEN THE MISTAKES THAT GUY MADE IN BLAKBURN. VANESTELROOY SHOULD PLAY 90 MINS BECAUSE FOR HIM AT ANY TIME HE CAN SCORE. BABEL NOT YET READY OUR FREE KICKS GO TO PERSIE. GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO THE ORANJE BOYS. KLUIVERT, KAMPALA UGANDA.