Oranje has never been more Dutch…

where i come from(excluding franse nederlanden)) we don’t it stampot, we eat potato gratin.

Posted from  United States

nice match but we need depth because 11 players don’t win tournaments it take 23 playares to win a tourney.

Posted from  United States

Guys, if someone finds a link of highlights of the game I would thank you a lot. See u pals!

Match highlights >>> http://www.eplmatches.com/index.php/2008/11/19/holland-vs-sweden-highlights/

Posted from  Canada

Outstanding game I thought and a very good result against a surprisingly terrible Swedish team

Sorry, MO to hurt you overly pc feelings. The question is a real one: Will the white dutch (or non-exotics, to use jan’s term) support those who are “exotic” (Is that better, MO? Dude?) in the future? Will the great love the people from the countryside and provinces feel for the oranje be as strong when the players do not look like, or live like, or share the same old-timey Dutch culture, as those folks?

And if they do not love the future teams as much as past ones is part of that reason b/c so many “exotic” Dutch support other nations–perhaps their ancestors or parents homelands–before the oranje?

Jan raises the issue, I add that question, MO.

Posted from  United States

Was Gullit exotic????????hehehehe.

Can we put an an end to all this black white exotic garbage as we are in fact only interested in football.
Whatever happens (Spain was once ruled by Blacks/Arabs)is part of an on going evolution or revolution. Whatever cultural mix we inherit it will all sort itself out. We are here to discuss FOOTBALL and its players - Whatever race/colour/creed - It’s football that rules, politic can be discussed and argued in thousands of other blogs.

Posted from  Singapore

Amen!! Sick and tired of the race thing. All it takes is a Dutch passport and some great football skills, and Oranje could be your dream. I couldn’t care less if you were black, blue, yellow, purple or green. End of story.

There are people from all over the world posting here, and I love every minute of it.

As Carlos so eloquently puts it, we are here to discuss football. There are plenty of anthropology blogs for all the other nonsense.

MMM… wortelstamp with farmer’s sausage and dutch mustard. There is nothing better to warm up to after being outside in Canada’s winter.

The current dutch squad - nice and dutch which is good for the chemistry. They played really well against a poor swedish side. Does anyone know if Suarez’s good play earned him a spot in the game against France?

Posted from  Canada

Jason making me drool - so hungry…but guys isn’t hutspot etc etc actually saurkraut with mashed (altho smashed is a better word)potatoes all mixed in ? If you add sausage to that with Mustard it’s Yummyyyyy !!

Posted from  Singapore

@Carlos/finnster; not so fast my friends; i reckon the question by sims is pretty valid

ofcourse race/colour is of no importance, nobody cares ..

when it comes to sympathies for other countries it can become a problem; i remind you people of the surinam-flag-waving incident with the U21 … people in Holland were NOT amused
and its certainly true that most morroccons dont really support Holland (although with Affelay thats prob. gonna change); during a WC or EC you will never see a morroccon guy in an Orange shirt, they rather support Brasil

and i really dont think that only a passport and skills can make you a player of het nederlands elftal (see Kalou) .. it still is about representing your country

Posted from  Netherlands

@goose if the morocans are not there to support orange i will be there to support orange from an undeveloped viilage in india

Posted from  India

Hey Goose
All that is understood and we can write pages about this issue, we dont say it doesn’t exist, it does and so does racism. All we say is WHO cares, go to another blog to discuss racism in sport or some neo political theory on how you can live peacefully under 2 flags.
Politics happens all the time in Sport - read Puskas Story or di Stefano on how politics can ruin sportsmen or women (Nadia Comaneci for example)
Surely we can just discuss the football aspect here ? In Australia it usually takes 2 generations for immigrants to become Dinkum Aussies and the Oz team is full of 2nd generation immigrants.
Vieri’s Sports Idol was/is Allan Border, wonder how many know who is ?

Posted from  Singapore

@tiju; You are a good man. I like your style.

Just to be clear–not trying to cause controversy–jan raised what I thought was an interesting point about the oranje and I raised a question about it. My personal view is that if you live in netherlands and consider yourself dutch, you are dutch. Period. But not everyone in netherlands feels this way and if this feeling carries over to national team in the future–near future–then I think its a potential problem for the national team. The support the dutch peple have for the oranje is incredible and larger than life. If that changes, the national team will suffer whether carlos/finnster wish to recognize it or not.

Posted from  United States

Also, I apologize to carlos/finnster if I caused any offence, I enjoy reading your comments very much in this blog but on this point, we disagree. I just think this may become a negative issue for oranje going forward…anbd therefore, a proper topic of talk on a national dutch football blog.

Posted from  United States

@Tiju; i know you will mate, i know you will!!

Posted from  Netherlands

@ sims
i understand what you are trying to say but the dutch team will not become france on singapore giving foreign players passport just so they can play for the NT. dutch team will always have dutch antillean players because of nerdeland antlles is part of holland and surinamese and indonesian players because of history(former dutch colonies). a few moroccan(1-2) players because of mass immigration.

Posted from  United States

I agree with sims/goose that it’s a valid question. And it’s not a quiestion of race either, so we shouldn’t just act all PC and say we don’t need to discuss it because it’s an old-fashioned idea of racial-tension. It’s about culture, but more importantly it’s about where your loyalties lie, and I think all here are in agreement that we only want players in Oranje who are proud to be Dutch and proud to be playing for Oranje.

Posted from  Canada

Caleb said it best. 100% agreement with that.

@MO, I don’t think anyone is questioning loyalties of antillean dutch. It is a problem with some surinaamese and arabs/n africans. That’s just a fact of life in netherlands right now.
I personally wish everyone inside netherlands, regardless of background, color, religion, etc. cheered their hearts out for the oranje b/c I love dutch culture and the netherlands so much–my grandfather was from rotterdam– but that sadly is not the case.

Ok, no more from me on this issue.

Posted from  United States

Honestly, the U21 surinam flag thing really pissed me off and I am not even Dutch. I come from the most politically correct country in the world and I think its OK to call a spade a spade. Its not being racist, its being normal. If that didn’t bother you as a dutchman than you have a serious issue.

But the horrible socio-political problems of countries like Holland really don’t belong in the blog. Except to say that anybody doing bullshit like that deserves only to get their last call up and their deportation orders.

There should be no argument allowed in this case. You are there to represent the country that gave you the honour to go.

Posted from  Canada

Did I also mention that we Canadians are god damn polite too?

Posted from  Canada

@jason
this thing is finished man.by the by there is chance i will come to canada if they are allowing me to challege NCE of CHIMA

Posted from  India