Comments on: Oranje doesn’t understand the criticism http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/oranje-doesn%e2%80%99t-understand-the-criticism.html World Cup 2010 - South Africa, Oranje, Nederlands Elftal, Eredivisie, Marco van Basten, Dutch football, The Netherlands Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:30:06 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Jan http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/oranje-doesn%e2%80%99t-understand-the-criticism.html/comment-page-1#comment-94108 Jan Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:53:30 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/oranje-doesn%e2%80%99t-understand-the-criticism.html#comment-94108 Thanks Martijn! Great to have you back :-). The site "owners" told me that they will revamp this site soon and make it more generic (now it's still the 2006 blog officially). They're also hnting for moderators for other national teams (see ad on this site). Thanks Martijn! Great to have you back :-) .

The site “owners” told me that they will revamp this site soon and make it more generic (now it’s still the 2006 blog officially). They’re also hnting for moderators for other national teams (see ad on this site).

]]> By: Martijn http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/oranje-doesn%e2%80%99t-understand-the-criticism.html/comment-page-1#comment-94048 Martijn Sun, 16 Sep 2007 22:00:40 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/oranje-doesn%e2%80%99t-understand-the-criticism.html#comment-94048 All these quotes and understandings about why or how we play the 433 system. We win, its important. I dont know if half you people only watch Oranje play football, but the rest of the world top aint to bright in playing nice football aswell. Holland is winning there matches, and against any eastern European team it is hard, because there style of play is very defensive. Put Holland against Brazil or Italy, or any other country with an attacking mentality, the football gets better. And we have enough players who fit the 4 3 3 system. I agree, i prefer the 4 4 2, but that also has its ups and downs. Romania should be a better match than against albania, And im sure we will win it if Romania seek to win aswell. Still amazed this blog is still running, Cheers All these quotes and understandings about why or how we play the 433 system. We win, its important. I dont know if half you people only watch Oranje play football, but the rest of the world top aint to bright in playing nice football aswell. Holland is winning there matches, and against any eastern European team it is hard, because there style of play is very defensive. Put Holland against Brazil or Italy, or any other country with an attacking mentality, the football gets better. And we have enough players who fit the 4 3 3 system. I agree, i prefer the 4 4 2, but that also has its ups and downs. Romania should be a better match than against albania, And im sure we will win it if Romania seek to win aswell. Still amazed this blog is still running,

Cheers

]]> By: sphinx http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/oranje-doesn%e2%80%99t-understand-the-criticism.html/comment-page-1#comment-93805 sphinx Sun, 16 Sep 2007 05:44:22 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/oranje-doesn%e2%80%99t-understand-the-criticism.html#comment-93805 Nfanboy! since we don't have left & rigt backs, why shouldn't we go back to 343 systm, leaving our backs stay disciplined behind. like??? Bouma, Ooijer, Boula Bronkorst, Dranthe, Dezeeuw, sneijder, Vaart, Ruud, Persie Nfanboy!
since we don’t have left & rigt backs, why shouldn’t we go back to 343 systm, leaving our backs stay disciplined behind.
like???
Bouma, Ooijer, Boula
Bronkorst,
Dranthe, Dezeeuw,
sneijder,
Vaart, Ruud, Persie

]]> By: Lerkot http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/oranje-doesn%e2%80%99t-understand-the-criticism.html/comment-page-1#comment-93626 Lerkot Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:23:33 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/oranje-doesn%e2%80%99t-understand-the-criticism.html#comment-93626 Arjen Robben. Arjen Robben.

]]> By: netherlandfanboy http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/oranje-doesn%e2%80%99t-understand-the-criticism.html/comment-page-1#comment-93468 netherlandfanboy Sat, 15 Sep 2007 07:50:19 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/oranje-doesn%e2%80%99t-understand-the-criticism.html#comment-93468 @Letkot: Right, 4-3-3 is a good system, Barca used that system and they won CL. The thing is that we have no players to play 4-3-3. Striker: We need someone can score as well as create spaces and chances for others. Barca has Etoo. We had Kluivert in the past. Who can do that in our teams now? Ruud: he can score and that's all Huntelaar: same thing Kuyt: he can create spaces and chances for others but ... he is not good at scoring. Wingers: only one decent winger and he gets injury from time to time. Midfield: no real defend midfield and we make it tougher by using only 3 man in middle. Defender: no left-back or right-back who can go upfront and help the winger. Bouma never go up, Melchiot go up sometimes but doesn't know how to cross, Emanuelson and Drenthe is too young. So tell me one good reason to use 4-3-3 @Letkot: Right, 4-3-3 is a good system, Barca used that system and they won CL. The thing is that we have no players to play 4-3-3.

Striker: We need someone can score as well as create spaces and chances for others. Barca has Etoo. We had Kluivert in the past. Who can do that in our teams now?
Ruud: he can score and that’s all
Huntelaar: same thing
Kuyt: he can create spaces and chances for others but … he is not good at scoring.

Wingers: only one decent winger and he gets injury from time to time.

Midfield: no real defend midfield and we make it tougher by using only 3 man in middle.

Defender: no left-back or right-back who can go upfront and help the winger. Bouma never go up, Melchiot go up sometimes but doesn’t know how to cross, Emanuelson and Drenthe is too young.

So tell me one good reason to use 4-3-3

]]> By: Lerkot http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/oranje-doesn%e2%80%99t-understand-the-criticism.html/comment-page-1#comment-93454 Lerkot Sat, 15 Sep 2007 07:30:36 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/oranje-doesn%e2%80%99t-understand-the-criticism.html#comment-93454 Nothing wrong about playing 4-3-3, but everythings wrong in how we do it. Nothing wrong about playing 4-3-3, but everythings wrong in how we do it.

]]> By: Prabal Rakshit http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/oranje-doesn%e2%80%99t-understand-the-criticism.html/comment-page-1#comment-93437 Prabal Rakshit Sat, 15 Sep 2007 06:29:52 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/oranje-doesn%e2%80%99t-understand-the-criticism.html#comment-93437 bobotoh...That assumption and sad realization that we have to stick to 4-3-3 is itself the biggest tragedy. Just because an ossified management cannot change its straitjacketed thinking, we have to force the players to fit the system. To be honest the team you have proposed is one of the best possible under 4-3-3. But there are problems with this formation as such. - RVN will perenially be starved of crosses and goalscoring opportunities. - VanPersie will be rendered almost ineffective because neither he is a right footer nor is he a winger. - Since we do not have genuine wingers we would not be stretching the full backs and instead all the three forwards would crowd the goalmouth. - 4-3-3 leaves a lot of gaps in the centre, this is crucial in playing against 4-5-1 or 4-4-2. The understanding in 4-3-3 as in the 1974 team was that the forwards would fall back with the midfield, the backs would go in quick overlaps etc. Well this is somethng which does not happen now. - 4-3-3 is one of the most fluid offensive systems, Ideally a three pronged fwd line should always keep the opposition defence on tenterhooks. The crosses being floated, the quick passes etc. and most importantly the wide line of attack should be instrumental in breaking down the most stubborn of all defences. But what we have seen is that even Albania is proving such a difficult team to conquer. Then how would we fare against tough defences like Italy/France/Germany? bobotoh…That assumption and sad realization that we have to stick to 4-3-3 is itself the biggest tragedy. Just because an ossified management cannot change its straitjacketed thinking, we have to force the players to fit the system. To be honest the team you have proposed is one of the best possible under 4-3-3. But there are problems with this formation as such.
- RVN will perenially be starved of crosses and goalscoring opportunities.
- VanPersie will be rendered almost ineffective because neither he is a right footer nor is he a winger.
- Since we do not have genuine wingers we would not be stretching the full backs and instead all the three forwards would crowd the goalmouth.
- 4-3-3 leaves a lot of gaps in the centre, this is crucial in playing against 4-5-1 or 4-4-2. The understanding in 4-3-3 as in the 1974 team was that the forwards would fall back with the midfield, the backs would go in quick overlaps etc. Well this is somethng which does not happen now.
- 4-3-3 is one of the most fluid offensive systems, Ideally a three pronged fwd line should always keep the opposition defence on tenterhooks. The crosses being floated, the quick passes etc. and most importantly the wide line of attack should be instrumental in breaking down the most stubborn of all defences. But what we have seen is that even Albania is proving such a difficult team to conquer. Then how would we fare against tough defences like Italy/France/Germany?

]]> By: bobotoh http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/oranje-doesn%e2%80%99t-understand-the-criticism.html/comment-page-1#comment-93418 bobotoh Sat, 15 Sep 2007 05:27:45 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/oranje-doesn%e2%80%99t-understand-the-criticism.html#comment-93418 Ok. Now we should think otherwise. I mean, it's not possible to replace 4-3-3 under Basten. So, what's the best players that Holland has now to play with 4-3-3? vd Sar Gio|Drenthe|Bouma, Mathisjen, Heitinga|Ooijer, Melchiot|Krompamp|Boula vdv, sneijder, Seedorf|De Zeeuw|Affelay van persie|Kuyt, RVN|Hasselink|Huntelaar, Robben|Babel Ok. Now we should think otherwise. I mean, it’s not possible to replace 4-3-3 under Basten. So, what’s the best players that Holland has now to play with 4-3-3?

vd Sar
Gio|Drenthe|Bouma, Mathisjen, Heitinga|Ooijer, Melchiot|Krompamp|Boula

vdv, sneijder, Seedorf|De Zeeuw|Affelay

van persie|Kuyt, RVN|Hasselink|Huntelaar, Robben|Babel

]]> By: JVB21 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/oranje-doesn%e2%80%99t-understand-the-criticism.html/comment-page-1#comment-93356 JVB21 Sat, 15 Sep 2007 02:14:59 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/oranje-doesn%e2%80%99t-understand-the-criticism.html#comment-93356 The 4-3-3 in its self is a good system if you had your players year round, such as the club level, but the reality is otherwise. I also feel that while the Oranje are talent heavy up front they don't have the right style of players for a 4-3-3 system, their instincts are not suited to the system. But we all know that here, what I'd say to MVB where he to listen...be bold, be brave, buck traditional Dutch thinking and switch tactics. I'm willing to bet were he to do that Oranje would crush Romania, everyone knows we force ourselves to play 4-3-3. The 4-3-3 in its self is a good system if you had your players year round, such as the club level, but the reality is otherwise. I also feel that while the Oranje are talent heavy up front they don’t have the right style of players for a 4-3-3 system, their instincts are not suited to the system. But we all know that here, what I’d say to MVB where he to listen…be bold, be brave, buck traditional Dutch thinking and switch tactics. I’m willing to bet were he to do that Oranje would crush Romania, everyone knows we force ourselves to play 4-3-3.

]]> By: goose http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/oranje-doesn%e2%80%99t-understand-the-criticism.html/comment-page-1#comment-93254 goose Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:17:39 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/oranje-doesn%e2%80%99t-understand-the-criticism.html#comment-93254 well Sandesh..watta you reckon?? haha..we can always dream vBasten visits this blog... who could he be?? but on a serious note; im afraid nothing gonna change @netherl; very valid point..it took me quit some time to see it my self but this 4-3-3 system is killing @Xerxos; less presure on wich players?? ours? well Sandesh..watta you reckon?? haha..we can always dream vBasten visits this blog… who could he be?? but on a serious note; im afraid nothing gonna change

@netherl; very valid point..it took me quit some time to see it my self but this 4-3-3 system is killing

@Xerxos; less presure on wich players?? ours?

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