Nigel de Jong: Neeskens was glorified for this…

Orange team of the week

————–Stekelenburg———–
v.d.Wiel-Heitinga-Mathijsen-emanuelson
——–v.Bommel——-de Zeeuw——-
Elia———S. De Jong——v.d.Vaart
————-v.Wolfswinkel————-

Posted from  United States

@Finn buddy …………but venessa knows how to manage them.
Common guys what you are talking about?
De jong comparing himself to Neeskens? no…way.Dejong is not an idiot to do that.He was just saying that Neeskens got prise for doing the same and he is getting blame for doing same thing.(Hard tackles).
I am sure Dejong is a beast and a brilliant holding mid and does his duty always perfectly.He will not do the same in WC, i am damn sure…
i think Vaart and znijder should start for us in Wc along with Deong as lone holding mid…
i mean
—————-Persie—————
–Elia——Znijder–Vaart—-Roben
————–Dejong—————-
Bauma—-Mathjenson–Heitinga–Vanderweil
————steke———————

Posted from  India

better than braafheid and gio yeah youre probably right. would take cole, baines and warnock before him though.

@Peter we have superb LB in making –PATRICK VAN AANHOLT.
I think a should take him if Gio is the first choice for us.We will get an good combo there,ie Gio brings the experience when it needed and patrick brings Athletism,Speed,Height,Physical strength when it needed.

Posted from  India

O Tiju are you serious ?!
V.Aanholt is very young bro !! he will be a flop if he goes with the oranje to SA . We have other options , good options , for the LB postion . Emanuelson will always be my 1st player in SA . Tiendalli is my 2nd player for the right and the left sides . I mean he plays if emanuelson or weil get injured , Plus bouma , gio , pieters , brafhied , boulahrouz and schaars ( yes he can play as a LB ) . So players like v.aanholt , bruma have no place in the worldcup 2010 , but they will be our stars in 2014 , so we just have to wait till they are ready , not to put them under such a great pressure .

@Mohmed
Emmanuelson is beast when going forward(somebody already mentioned here)But he is not a good diffender,ditto goes with Drenthe.
Peiters lacks consistancy and bit pace.So i had to look in to other options,thats why i picked Vaan aanholt.
Tyndally is ok for eredivise but WC????????All these days i was followng tyndally but he made me sad.
I would pick Emmanuelson as a left winger as a back up of Elia in left wing.
So for left wing it is First choice Elia
Emmanuleson on Bench.
Roben is beast in right wing so he is first choice there for me.In bench i would go for Wijnaldum coz the guy gives same work rate of kuyt with better skills.No matter how proloifc kuyt is ,this guy is going to kick our ass in SA.Mark my words.
As long as Gio & Ooiger performes like their old days i dont have any problem.Most of time youngsters played well in Worldcups they hardly disappointed eg Pele,Owen etc.if we encourage them,you will get the fruit from them.
First let them give a chance in friendlies and let us see how good they are now in orange leavel,if they are convincing ,the you take them otherwise take/Consider after two years.

Posted from  India

My pick for left back would be Tim de Cler. Despite the lack of rhythm. Bert should pick him in May and get him all fired up. De Cler is developed at Ajax, played top flight football with AZ and Feyenoord until Gio moved from midfield back to LB. I saw De Cler play vs Ajax ( I think) this season and he still has the goods. Emanuelson is a gifted lad, but no LB.

Tiendali isn’t ready in my book. De Cler has x caps behind his name already.

Hi Bob, great to hear from you again .

It was one of my biggest “defeats” to have lost you for our blog. I’m happy you returned for a visit.

I agree with you on De Jong. It was a 50-50 in my view and Holden was unlucky.

Van Persie should be ready to play games in May again, if all goes well, so I expect him to be super fit and super motivated by the time the WC starts.

Ruud wants to return to Oranje and it’s clear Bert wants him too, but Ruud needs to play matches and demonstrate his form first. For now he’s injured again, so…

Van der Sar has made his point. He will not come to the WC.

A left field comment: I saw Siem de Jong play with Ajax again and he might well be an option as center striker. He’s strong, has iron balls in the box, has a distance shot, great lungs, good vision, good workrate and is a good header too. He reminds me of John Bosman with a bit more dynamics. If he keeps on producing for Ajax, he could be the surprise pinch hitter if Ruud won’t be ready for the WC.

Thoughts?

By finnster01 :

Wayne Bridges and John Terry can’t

By Peter vdL :

yeah but finn, bridge isn’t a good player.

By me :

Neither is Terry at the moment. I’ve never really noticed Terry as a good player. When is the last time England achieved anything of consequence? Did he get credit for Peter Czech’s clean sheets? Drogba winning matches with 1 or 2 goal differences? Lampard and/or Ballack winning the midfield so Chelsea’s defence is never in trouble? I can’t say whenever I’ve seen him play this season he impressed me as a defender of the Chiellini/Lucio/Vermaelen class (Vermaelen is perhaps slightly less effective defensively than Chiellini and Lucio, but his excellent start this season -scoring goals- warrants his addition to that short list).

But to be honest, I guess I haven’t seen much of Terry in his best days.

Oh, and I agree with Jan, Siem de Jong has good potential for the future of his career, certainly much better than midget vWolfswinkel (or worse, Wijnaldum, Biseswar, and perhaps even Fer, allthough he might improve). I don’t think he’ll prove of much more use to us than let’s say….Affelay or Babel.

I have a feeling SiemdeJong might be able to make it difficult for Hunter to maintain his striker spot ahead of him in the future (2014) but he’ll never get passed vPersie, so his chance will probably come after 2014 (since I assume vPersie will still be playing at 31).

Posted from  Netherlands

I guess he plays more as a nr.10 playmaker right now at Ajax, so he’ll be competing with Sneijder and VDVaart as well. Pretty tough to get into Oranje for those positions (especially since vPersie can also play there).

Posted from  Netherlands

By the way, we have to realize that we have no way of knowing how vPersie will do at this WC right now. We all like to talk about Vbasten’s return in ‘88 and then somehow pretend it will be like that again, but realisticly speaking, after a multiple month injury it’s always hard to find your old form back ( a lot of things to deal with first). We have to accept that Vpersie might not be as good at this WC as he was playing for Arsenal early this year. That would be only natural (what happened to vBasten was a bit of a fluke I guess).

But I guess we can hope he grows into the tournament finding his flow as we progress. But perhaps the media and the fans could tone down a bit and not put too much pressure on him (allthough I doubt that really matters to the way he will perform, that has more to do with getting the right feeling back again, the right touches on the ball, reflexes, etc., the stuff that comes with regular playing time).

Posted from  Netherlands

@Carlos,

Funny, the French player that I thought of was Luis Fernandez, not Tigana. Maybe Jan will tell us we’re both right.

Re: VDV. I think he is necessary in the starting lineup. Sneijder, VP, Robben are all forward push, and amazing skills, but VDv, along with his considerable skills, seems to be the guy who is always looking for a solution; the flick, the through ball, the popping up in front of goal. Oranje will need a player like that against the packed defenses of the WC.

It seems like it comes down to making the choice between two def. holding mf’s plus Kuyt on the right or sacrificing one of those three for VDV. I think MVB is necessary; given his leadership, experience, toughness, and ball skills. In the end as much as I like Kuyt (and I’m a huge fan), given our defense, I’d prefer DeJong in front of it providing cover. If VDV was pushed back into a holding spot, some of what he brings is diminshed by the increased defensive responsibilites. I’d put him nominally at Kuyt’s spot, but give him the license to go wherever he wants—as was done with Ronald De Boer in ‘98.

Andrew

Posted from  United States

Sol you’re so logic . I partially agree with you .
Well , there are 3 possibilities in persie’s case :
- the worst one is persie may not be the player we used to see ever again , just like michael owen , god forbid !!
- the best one is that persie will play good with arsenal for a month before the worldcup , gain his form , then he impresses with the dutch in SA . (like van basten)
- the realistic one is that persie won’t be at his best by the first games in the wc , but he will get his form gradually and reach his peak against brasil in quarter- finals :p ( looks nice too , doesn’t it ? ) , actually thanks god we’re not in a difficult group , so we won’t need to be in our best in the first stage of the tournment , we can improve gradually , unlike all the tournments we played in the last 10 years . We were always in the group of death !! EC 2000 with FRANCE , EC 2004 with CZECH REP. & GERMANY , WC 2006 ARGENTINA & IVORY COAST , EC 2008 ITALY & FRANCE …

@ Sol, I wouldn’t call V.Wolfswinkel a midget xD, he’s a skinny one, not that strong, but he’s quite a reasonable height.

If someone would like to know, Marko Matic or as he is known now, Marko Vejinovic, actually played pretty well for Heracles, and he might actually be developing as he should be. Good news for every oranje fan.

Posted from  Netherlands

I, for one, hope van Persie will make a great comeback, partially because I am going to start playing football again this week after 4 months of not playing due to torn ankle ligaments.

Posted from  Netherlands

BTW on the left back thing, I do think Wilfred Bouma, given his experience would be a more logical choice to take instead of Dwight Tiendalli etc.
But if we’re gonna take an unexperienced LB, I’d say Erik Pieters has the best credentials at the moment, before Tiendalli and others, he has been pretty solid for PSV, and increasingly better coming forward.

Posted from  Netherlands

Hedwiges Maduro starting for Valencia they are tied 0-0

Sounds like Dirk Kuyt made a mistake for Wigans goal, 1-0 wigan

for the Guardian live report: ‘85 min: Babel then passees it straight to Rodallega who shoots high and wide from 25 yards. I don’t know why Babel was on the bench. With passing like that he is surely worth a place in the starting XI

83 min: Babel is immediately into the action with a strong rumn down the left before freeing Insua but his cross is headed clear

82 min: Changes for both sides. Ryan Babel replaces Kuyt for Liverpool, while Hendry Thomas comes on for the injured Diame’

Posted from  Netherlands

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Posted from  Netherlands

That why I don’t like Babel. He has got action, but fairly limited because of a chocolate left leg, and I have always thought his passing was terrible. It’s always running with a ball, cutting to his right, shooting. Every right back can read that trick.

Posted from  Netherlands

I did mean Tigana. I like Luis Fernandez but he was more a destroyer kind of player.

Alex, I just checked vWolfswinkel’s height, you’re right, he’s actually not that small, I guess he just looks smaller than the other guys because the other guys (Hunter, S. de Jong) are stronger in the airduels (perhaps more to do with spring as well as physical strength).

I’m glad I missed Kuyt’s match yesterday (I don’t miss a lot lately now that I’ve found all those streams), since Liverpool lost again I assume he was as entertaining as usual, probably a lot of crosses that never looked like they were going to make it passed the defenders anyway (unless you have a brilliant moment from your striker that allows him to make something out of those hopeless crosses coming in from the right).

At the start of this season my main concerns for Oranje were vBommel, vBronckhorst, Heitinga and Kuyt (I’m conveniently skipping Engelaar, Babel and Affelay, because they’re nowhere near my Oranje team, Engelaar comes closest). Of those only Kuyt is left for me to worry about. The others have proven themselves to me this season.

Sorry to come back to that name again, but what can I say, he was the only one who played yesterday (again, not counting Babel as an Oranje player).

Posted from  Netherlands

Thanks for the response, Jan. My “leaving” the blog had nothing to do with the blog, Jan, but everything to do with my commitments to other matters. Your blog is fantastic, and has improved markedly since I last checked in.

As to the Ajax de Jong, I am not familiar with this player, but he sounds as if he is improving and I do think the Dutch will need strong attackers to go anywhere in the WC. “We” are in a fairly strong group, with Denmark and Cameroon being teams that should not be underestimated. The run-up friendlies do not give one a sense that the Dutch will be ready to compete at the highest level, but then again, they always seem to do this to us–uninspired matches for a while, then they turn on the engine and play the way we want them to play. Time will tell–soon!

Posted from  United States

I have to admit, I haven’t seen much of vBronckhorst and Feyenoord’s games, just a couple of the big games, like Ajax-Feyenoord.

So I guess vBronckhorst is still just on the my worry list, but not at the top of my worry list anymore.

Posted from  Netherlands

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