Comments on: Maduro, Beckham, Van, Ooijer… http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/maduro-beckham-van-ooijer.html World Cup 2010 - South Africa, Oranje, Nederlands Elftal, Eredivisie, Marco van Basten, Dutch football, The Netherlands Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:55:54 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: goose http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/maduro-beckham-van-ooijer.html/comment-page-1#comment-5530 goose Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:12:58 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/maduro-beckham-van-ooijer.html#comment-5530 @ferenc, agree, and it would be great to have a striker on the bench with the quality that Ruud has..it will keep the other strikers on their toos as well.. will be interesting to see how Ruud will live through all the dissapoitments of the last couple of months..hes real character(?) will show now.. greetz @ferenc, agree, and it would be great to have a striker on the bench with the quality that Ruud has..it will keep the other strikers on their toos as well..

will be interesting to see how Ruud will live through all the dissapoitments of the last couple of months..hes real character(?) will show now..

greetz

]]> By: ferenc http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/maduro-beckham-van-ooijer.html/comment-page-1#comment-5508 ferenc Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:03:58 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/maduro-beckham-van-ooijer.html#comment-5508 @goose: i think as he's getting older and there is a better and more complete player he will accept to be in the bench. but during the wc the situation was completely different - we can't say that kuijt or huntelaar are better. maybe huntelaar. and oranje needs very good subs who can add something plus to the play and ruud definitely can do that. @goose: i think as he’s getting older and there is a better and more complete player he will accept to be in the bench. but during the wc the situation was completely different – we can’t say that kuijt or huntelaar are better. maybe huntelaar. and oranje needs very good subs who can add something plus to the play and ruud definitely can do that.

]]> By: goose http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/maduro-beckham-van-ooijer.html/comment-page-1#comment-5478 goose Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:35:43 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/maduro-beckham-van-ooijer.html#comment-5478 @Samuel: funny to see that Robben gets booed everywhere he plays, he made a real name for himself, very shamefull..we dont want divers in the national team (nor anywhere else), lets leave that to our portugees friends... im pretty sure Robben wont dive like he did last season..did not see a single dive yesterday so who knows, maybe hes learned.... i was wondering, do you guys think it will be a good choice to select vanNistelrooy even when hes just on the bench, looked like it didnt work for Fergusson and vanBasten during the WC..i always think that Ruuds' mentality is one of his greatest atributes, wouldnt he be usefull in the team even if he doensnt play??? greetz @Samuel: funny to see that Robben gets booed everywhere he plays, he made a real name for himself, very shamefull..we dont want divers in the national team (nor anywhere else), lets leave that to our portugees friends… im pretty sure Robben wont dive like he did last season..did not see a single dive yesterday so who knows, maybe hes learned….

i was wondering, do you guys think it will be a good choice to select vanNistelrooy even when hes just on the bench, looked like it didnt work for Fergusson and vanBasten during the WC..i always think that Ruuds’ mentality is one of his greatest atributes, wouldnt he be usefull in the team even if he doensnt play???

greetz

]]> By: Samuel Knight http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/maduro-beckham-van-ooijer.html/comment-page-1#comment-5413 Samuel Knight Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:31:50 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/maduro-beckham-van-ooijer.html#comment-5413 Great points above: Kluivert had more skills than Ruud. He was a fabulously talented all-round player who could easily have played all over the field. But he never had the determination, and never worked that hard. He was famous for a great partier. Also, I'm not questioning the picks Marco is making - I'd go with Van Persie, Robben and Huntelaar. Mainly because Van N didn't seem to mesh all that well with Van P and Robben. But I sure as heck would want Van N - and Makaay on my bench. And as coach I'd definitely want to reward Van N's loyalty and hard work - with lavish praise. Let's face it - voetballers have huge egos - you need to stroke them a little bit. And one more thing: Tell Robben - stop diving!!! Great points above: Kluivert had more skills than Ruud. He was a fabulously talented all-round player who could easily have played all over the field.

But he never had the determination, and never worked that hard. He was famous for a great partier.

Also, I’m not questioning the picks Marco is making – I’d go with Van Persie, Robben and Huntelaar. Mainly because Van N didn’t seem to mesh all that well with Van P and Robben. But I sure as heck would want Van N – and Makaay on my bench.

And as coach I’d definitely want to reward Van N’s loyalty and hard work – with lavish praise.

Let’s face it – voetballers have huge egos – you need to stroke them a little bit.

And one more thing: Tell Robben – stop diving!!!

]]> By: ferenc http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/maduro-beckham-van-ooijer.html/comment-page-1#comment-5383 ferenc Wed, 16 Aug 2006 04:48:28 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/maduro-beckham-van-ooijer.html#comment-5383 marco will drop van der saar too? marco will drop van der saar too?

]]> By: goose http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/maduro-beckham-van-ooijer.html/comment-page-1#comment-5379 goose Wed, 16 Aug 2006 04:18:17 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/maduro-beckham-van-ooijer.html#comment-5379 Latest news my friend, vanderSar(captain) was openly critical towords Marco today on dutch tv, he said he was 'surprised'about vanBasten choise to not select vanB en vanN.. lets see what the newspapers say tomorrow... btw. Huntelaar will start. greetz Latest news my friend,

vanderSar(captain) was openly critical towords Marco today on dutch tv, he said he was ’surprised’about vanBasten choise to not select vanB en vanN..
lets see what the newspapers say tomorrow…

btw. Huntelaar will start.

greetz

]]> By: Kervin http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/maduro-beckham-van-ooijer.html/comment-page-1#comment-5376 Kervin Wed, 16 Aug 2006 02:26:34 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/maduro-beckham-van-ooijer.html#comment-5376 @Robert, mayb u r right, there mayb less tallent than in 98, but van basten is even more restricting his team of tallent by not selecting ruud, seedorf or even van bommel (played in the champions league final last year!!) @Robert,
mayb u r right, there mayb less tallent than in 98, but van basten is even more restricting his team of tallent by not selecting ruud, seedorf or even van bommel (played in the champions league final last year!!)

]]> By: ferenc http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/maduro-beckham-van-ooijer.html/comment-page-1#comment-5374 ferenc Wed, 16 Aug 2006 01:53:53 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/maduro-beckham-van-ooijer.html#comment-5374 kluivert was great,a complete striker, and he could have become a new van basten,but his mentality... about long bombers: before f. fe boer,r. koeman ruud krol was also excellent in this role. at this wc cocu could have played the same as a central defender like he did sometimes at barca. is anyone in the u-21 squad who is able to do this? kluivert was great,a complete striker, and he could have become a new van basten,but his mentality…

about long bombers: before f. fe boer,r. koeman ruud krol was also excellent in this role. at this wc cocu could have played the same as a central defender like he did sometimes at barca. is anyone in the u-21 squad who is able to do this?

]]> By: goose http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/maduro-beckham-van-ooijer.html/comment-page-1#comment-5373 goose Wed, 16 Aug 2006 01:25:34 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/maduro-beckham-van-ooijer.html#comment-5373 @Robert: about Kluivert, its true is was a good footballer a.w.a. a good striker which is pritty rare (vanBasten?) but remember outside of Oranje he only played 2 decent club seasons(including his time with Ajax), never liked Kluivert, never liked his attitude (inside and outside the pitch), but is is true that he did great for Oranje, guess the team really suited him maybe Janssen is more of a Cocu type with more creativity but with less intelligence.. well see what tomorrow will bring us my friends.. greetz @Robert: about Kluivert, its true is was a good footballer a.w.a. a good striker which is pritty rare (vanBasten?) but remember outside of Oranje he only played 2 decent club seasons(including his time with Ajax), never liked Kluivert, never liked his attitude (inside and outside the pitch), but is is true that he did great for Oranje, guess the team really suited him

maybe Janssen is more of a Cocu type with more creativity but with less intelligence..

well see what tomorrow will bring us my friends..

greetz

]]> By: Robert http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/maduro-beckham-van-ooijer.html/comment-page-1#comment-5371 Robert Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:26:46 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/maduro-beckham-van-ooijer.html#comment-5371 Samuel, One big difference is that Kluivert in my opinion was a much more rounded soccer player. Van Nistelrooy can score and has proven time and again that he can do so extremely well but that is about all he brings to the game. The only time you will ever notice van Nistelrooy is when he scores. Kluivert IMO always played better playing in and for Holland simply because the style played there suited him better. Personally I would love to see him end his career for a Dutch team. Your point regarding a long bomber on the back line is accurate I think. Once again I can't think of a player that will fill that role and I come back to my point that it is slim pickings in Dutch soccer at the moment. I like the choice Van Basten made in Janssen on the midfield. Not a big name but in my opinion he may be another Ooijer type for Oranje. Calm, extremely competent and a player that makes few mistakes. Lots of critisism in Holland on that move of course but I think I understand what Marco is looking for when he selects players like Landzaat, Ooijer and Janssen. They are the type of players that will give you less flash but also a lot less mistakes allowing those around them to play with more creativity. Samuel,
One big difference is that Kluivert in my opinion was a much more rounded soccer player. Van Nistelrooy can score and has proven time and again that he can do so extremely well but that is about all he brings to the game. The only time you will ever notice van Nistelrooy is when he scores. Kluivert IMO always played better playing in and for Holland simply because the style played there suited him better. Personally I would love to see him end his career for a Dutch team.
Your point regarding a long bomber on the back line is accurate I think. Once again I can’t think of a player that will fill that role and I come back to my point that it is slim pickings in Dutch soccer at the moment. I like the choice Van Basten made in Janssen on the midfield. Not a big name but in my opinion he may be another Ooijer type for Oranje. Calm, extremely competent and a player that makes few mistakes. Lots of critisism in Holland on that move of course but I think I understand what Marco is looking for when he selects players like Landzaat, Ooijer and Janssen. They are the type of players that will give you less flash but also a lot less mistakes allowing those around them to play with more creativity.

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