Long-term contract for Barazite at Arsenal

I don’t think Messi will improve any further and yet I still see possibilitiesfor Robben to improve. Messi is ahead for now, but Robben might catch up. BTW Morroco is a pretty sneaky country to say the least, they have this system where they give people of moroccan decent the morrocan nationality. In this way they get billians in money coming in from “morrocans” all over the world, cause they create a link between them and their so-called “real home”. Without the passports, dutch Morrocans hardly have any ties with Morroco, most of them are born here, except their grandparents myabe used to live in morocco. Aissati hardly has any ties, neither does El Hamdaoui. I think it isn’t right to have dual nationality. You either live in the Netherlands and only have a dutch passport or you can go to Morroco and live there.
I hear tons of dutch-morrocans say they feel more morrocan then dutch, and that they go there every year. But when I ask them;why don’t you live there then, they say: Are you crazy. What kind of logic is that… if you love it so much and feel more like a Morrocan, why don’t you live there… Because it is a pretty shitty place. Nice to go there on vacation, but no dutch-moroccan really wants to live there. And if you like living here (Holland) so much, then just act like a f*cking dutch citizen and give up you’re other passport. I’d like going to to Turkey on a vacation every year but I don’t have a dual nationality just because i enjoy my holiday there. No if anyone is Dutch-Moroccan don’t think this is to offend, it is just my opinion and I don’t have anything against Morrocans. Let’s get that straight

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On-topic Barazite is a very good player. Very promising and I really like his style. I hope he can develop enough to make the first team.

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Of all the young players that are with English clubs youth teams i’d say Nacer Barazite and center back Jeffrey Bruma(only 17) from Chelsea are the most promising. After that left back/center back Patrick van Aanholt and Ozghan Ozyakup made the best impressions on me.

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amen to that Alex

of topic ; deGuzman is out for the rest of the season

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Don’t know much about Barazite, I’ve seen him play, once in a while. He impresses, but I don’t follow that lad to much. Excuse me for saying this, but Barazite has a foreign sounding name. Is he of Turkish ascentry? Moroccan, Persian? Not that it really matters, but I often wonder, where their loyalty stays… Oranje, Morocco, Turkey, or elswhere? So, I’m a bit sceptic to call him a promising Dutch footballer… since fifa-rules can make him switch and it’s a pity if he decides to do so.

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dutch players of surinamese, antillean and indonesian ancestry will always pick orange because they love(maybe not) orange.

the turkish and moroccan players are always playing hard to get.

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@ Alex
it’s good to have dual nationality. if i was a professional footballer at the top level i could of qualify to play for 3 countries.

it’s good to have many option.

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@MO ; well, thats pretty much disregarding the fans … we are the ones who fill their pockets, we are the ones who will travel for miles to see our team / country so i reckon they cant be that opportunistic
(and im not even starting on the political/integration point)

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Great debate guys, I tend to agree that all those foreigners brought up in Holland living on Dutch welfare and education should play for Holland if they are good enough. The point is that some will never get to a WC or play internatonial games competing against the rest. So they now have a chance to get noticed and therefore may be tempted by the lure of internatonal football. If they put in a rule that anyone who chooses to play for a foreign country then loses his Dutch passport/citzenship priveleges etc etc then there would be ZERO takers. Thats really the end of story !

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Oh and I would pick Messi ahead of Robben at this point in time. Messi has been playing breath taking football for quite a few years now and Robben can at times even surpass Messi’s play in the occasional game. Unless Robben plays consistently week in week out the way he did Sunday, only then can we compare him to Messi. (I certainly hope he does!)

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@Carlos; problem is ; cant take away the passport of a morroccon born … just today we have the first morrocon born mayor of Rotterdam! (Fortuyns city), this guy is the major of the 2nd biggest city in Holland (with a crap football team btw!! haha) and he has 2 passports … Fortuyns ex party Leefbaar Rotterdam gave Aboutaleb an enveloppe adressed to the moroccon king to sent there his moroccon passport!! haha

to be honest, its only the muslims who cause much trouble and have problems leaving behind their parents or even grandparents rural culture and loyalty (no offense to any muslims like dr.Mansur)
the surinams just wave their flags cause they think its cool…i have never doubted their loyalty (even after the U21 victory)

sorry bout the politics

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@ goose
“we are the ones who fill their pockets, we are the ones who will travel for miles to see our team / country so i reckon they cant be that opportunistic”

but if they don’t feel dutch you can’t force them to play orange. the dutch have many talented players(blind, wijnadum, v.wolfswinkel …) beside moroccan/turkish-dutch players.

also look at the algerian and senegalese team almost all the players hold french passport.

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@Caleb ; i now realise you meant it the other way around ofcourse with the passports … sorry bout that

@MO ; ofcourse, we cant force anybody, why would we

but i dont want players in Oranje who do it just cause they can make more money and have more glory with Holland)…its more of a social problem

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Here is my view on the passports for all it is worth. I am Norwegian. Born and bred there with two Norwegian parents. All my family still lives there. I have Norwegian citizenship. I have lived in the US since 1990. Not once has it ever occurred to me to change my citizenship. Norway is one of the few countries that does not allow dual citizenship. America does, Norway doesn’t. I have a 12 year old daughter who is American because she was born here in New York. She has a different passport than me, but she is also entitled to a Norwegian one until she is 18, which is when she has to choose what she wants to be. I am sure she wants to be American. Nothing wrong with that. I love it here, but I also pay my taxes and believe I do my best to keep the country going just like most other decent citizens that lives here.

As a young lad I ran track back in Norway. One year I was on a team that won the national championship (4×400 m) and selected to run for the national team. Nothing can compare to the honour and proudness I felt when I pulled on the shirt with the flag on it. It didn’t matter that we got beat, but I ran my fastest time ever and I blame it all on the fact that I wore the colours of my country.

As much as I love the US and America, I can never turn my back on the country where I grew up. I will never give up that citizenship. It is just the way I was raised by my parents. Maybe at some point in the future if they allow dual citizenships, I may consider get an American also, but I doubt it very much.

If you were born in Senegal or Surinam or Morocco or wherever and happen also to have a Dutch passport, the minute you decide to pull on that Oranje jersey, you do it with pride. If that is the country you decide to play for, you play your heart out. No Surinam or Moroccan flag waving. If Holland is your country, represent it with pride. If Morocco or Surninam is your country of choice, represent that with pride. But do NOT wear the sacred colours of a country half-hearted because you can benefit economically from it or personal reasons and get some press. There are thousands of kids that would love to be in your shoes and represent the country.

I have no time for that attitude. It is just plain wrong.

@Ferenc – you’re absolutely right that Messi is a fantastic player with huge potential, and over the season so far definitely the best player, but what I was saying is that when he plays like he did yesterday Robben is one of the best/the best player in the world (probably “one of the best in the world” is better, but maybe my oranje bias came in to play, haha). I’m not talking about consistency or potential, because although I’d say Robben still has huge potential (if he stays fit), he certainly doesn’t have much consistency because he always gets injured!
So I guess what I’m saying, is just take a look at his performance for one game when he’s at the top of his game, and I’d challenge anyone to find another player who plays a better game for a single game.

Hey Finn, your story (mine too with Australia) is a little different because of one thing – Think Third World and First World and you have the answer. We came from first world and went to First world. If I was Indonesian (where I was born) I would jump at being Dutch or Australian. There in lies the difference. Most third world inhabitants dream only of going to the UK/USA/France/Scandanavia/Aust etc etc.You and I and many others here wouldn’t know how that feels.

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@goose double ammen,
200%percent agree with you,it is beacause of culture and belief.In india is also sam thing happening,
why the Christian countries are always top,Answer is simple we are blessed with brilliance beacause of our belif in LIVING GOD.
Morroco and the other countries will never make it coz of culture.

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plz dont take it in negative sense u can belive in any God that is your freedom ,we will never oppose that and that not our duty,Christianity=Freedom+wisdom+investment for the soul(which Animals dont have)

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plz dont take it in negative sense u can belive in any God that is your freedom ,we will never oppose that and that is not our duty,Christianity=Freedom+wisdom+investment for the soul(which Animals dont have)

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प्रासंगिक उपयोगी और अद्वितीय सामग्री rovide! मैं बल्कि है कि सिर्फ एक freebie किसी भी दिन चाहता है एक बड़ी सूची की तुलना में एक छोटा सा, उत्तरदायी सूची होता!

Can we leave religion out please? No one’s better or worse. Believe in what you want to believe and respect other beliefs and allow them to believe, or be like me – Don’t believe and live and let live !
Back to football OK – thats worth believing in !

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As this column is on Barazite and Arsenal, just read that vPersie was the longest serving Arsenal player in the last FA Cup match – Wenger said that vP always wants to know how the team is going and how he can help. Thats why he “deserved” to be Captain. Hmmmmm sounds like Cruyff’s analysis of having Dutch Players in a Spanish team who dont just respond to the coach with “Yes” they say “Yes, but…….” very opiniated ! Ha !

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remember that doctor that promised robben’s fitness for now on? it looks like it might just come true or he will stay fit for longer

Robben will get injured is as sure as us getting snow in New York at some point each winter, global warming or not.

We already had our first snow, so now it is just a question of time before Robben gets injured.

@Finn, No doubt Robben will get injured again. He does seem to get injured with a greater frequency, but I suspect most of the top players will get the strain, the pull, the tear over the course of the calendar. They play too many games, and the seasons are never ending. I think VD Vaart’s quote about having had only 14 days off in the offseason was telling. Few (if any players) can handle that. The hope for me is that they can be healthy for 6 weeks in the summer of 2010.
@Carlos, Well said, man, well said.

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