Comments on: Last EC matches: where to start? http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/last-ec-matches-where-to-start.html World Cup 2010 - South Africa, Oranje, Nederlands Elftal, Eredivisie, Marco van Basten, Dutch football, The Netherlands Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:27:21 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Rami http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/last-ec-matches-where-to-start.html/comment-page-1#comment-113796 Rami Sat, 24 Nov 2007 17:22:25 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/last-ec-matches-where-to-start.html#comment-113796 very decent performance by babel and kuijt at liverpool today.. gerrard was subliminal; release of frustration hehe... very decent performance by babel and kuijt at liverpool today.. gerrard was subliminal; release of frustration hehe…

]]> By: kervin http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/last-ec-matches-where-to-start.html/comment-page-1#comment-113795 kervin Sat, 24 Nov 2007 17:17:56 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/last-ec-matches-where-to-start.html#comment-113795 Newcastle 0-3 Liverpool (Gerrard, Kuyt, Babbel) Newcastle 0-3 Liverpool (Gerrard, Kuyt, Babbel)

]]> By: Caleb http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/last-ec-matches-where-to-start.html/comment-page-1#comment-113777 Caleb Sat, 24 Nov 2007 16:03:55 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/last-ec-matches-where-to-start.html#comment-113777 Marc, you are exactly right about where the problem lies - we can't finish our chances. But our figures are somewhat deceiving.. sure we had the most shots on target, but don't forget that so many of these shots were weak, easily saved shots from like 30 yards. We aren't scoring many goals because we aren't taking good shots on goal, and we aren't making the really good goal scoring opportunities. And on top of that we just aren't finishing well when we do get the good opportunities. Marc, you are exactly right about where the problem lies – we can’t finish our chances. But our figures are somewhat deceiving.. sure we had the most shots on target, but don’t forget that so many of these shots were weak, easily saved shots from like 30 yards. We aren’t scoring many goals because we aren’t taking good shots on goal, and we aren’t making the really good goal scoring opportunities. And on top of that we just aren’t finishing well when we do get the good opportunities.

]]> By: Lerkot http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/last-ec-matches-where-to-start.html/comment-page-1#comment-113762 Lerkot Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:11:55 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/last-ec-matches-where-to-start.html#comment-113762 I would like to be in a group with Italy, France and Spain. Its possible, and it would be nice. I would like to be in a group with Italy, France and Spain. Its possible, and it would be nice.

]]> By: Marc http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/last-ec-matches-where-to-start.html/comment-page-1#comment-113757 Marc Sat, 24 Nov 2007 14:56:43 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/last-ec-matches-where-to-start.html#comment-113757 guys guys guys!i think u all are speakin some truth in ur comments... but dont u see it?!! van basten purposely lost to belarus expecting germany to win and end up in pot 1. i dont think he had any envi to be in a group of death with Germany itally and france and so he put on the B team without ( van nistelrooy van perise seedorf robben van der saar) alright they did play poorly but dont u see how mayn chances holland has created this whole qualifying campaign?!! holland has the highes rate of shots on goal in europe. holland doesnt lack the creating of game but the finnishing touch! holland had 90 shots on goal while germany only had 50 or so... what does that tell us?! well holland builds up the opportunity but doesnt score. germany had twice as less chances but converted twice as many goals! This is where the problem lies. I thnkthat there is lots of work for the team to do but i do not think that this group of players will go out of the tounrmanet wothout a fight. I say wait and see the friendlies comin up b4 the euro. peace guys guys guys guys!i think u all are speakin some truth in ur comments… but dont u see it?!! van basten purposely lost to belarus expecting germany to win and end up in pot 1. i dont think he had any envi to be in a group of death with Germany itally and france and so he put on the B team without ( van nistelrooy van perise seedorf robben van der saar) alright they did play poorly but dont u see how mayn chances holland has created this whole qualifying campaign?!! holland has the highes rate of shots on goal in europe. holland doesnt lack the creating of game but the finnishing touch! holland had 90 shots on goal while germany only had 50 or so… what does that tell us?! well holland builds up the opportunity but doesnt score. germany had twice as less chances but converted twice as many goals! This is where the problem lies. I thnkthat there is lots of work for the team to do but i do not think that this group of players will go out of the tounrmanet wothout a fight. I say wait and see the friendlies comin up b4 the euro. peace guys

]]> By: Bob http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/last-ec-matches-where-to-start.html/comment-page-1#comment-113754 Bob Sat, 24 Nov 2007 14:45:39 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/last-ec-matches-where-to-start.html#comment-113754 Caleb, you are correct regarding the meaning of the word "polyvalent". It is, however, a synonym for multivalent, denoting something which has many values. So, a player with many attributes such as described by Jan could be called polyvalent, more properly multivalent and, best of all by your suggestion, a complete player. In my opinion, van de Sar, Seedorf and van Persie could be called complete players. Sneijder and van der Vaart are close--nobody else appears to be. There are 16 teams qualified for the EC. They are Croatia, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Spain, Sweden and Turkey. I do not know enough about the other teams to have a definite opinion, but it appears to me that Oranje will have a challenge winning over most of them, especially based on the many comments generated from the last debacle match in which Holland played as poorly as I have ever seen them play. So, from the perspective of fielding any of the teams proposed by the bloggers, which of these teams CAN the Netherlands beat? Caleb, you are correct regarding the meaning of the word “polyvalent”. It is, however, a synonym for multivalent, denoting something which has many values. So, a player with many attributes such as described by Jan could be called polyvalent, more properly multivalent and, best of all by your suggestion, a complete player. In my opinion, van de Sar, Seedorf and van Persie could be called complete players. Sneijder and van der Vaart are close–nobody else appears to be.

There are 16 teams qualified for the EC. They are Croatia, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Spain, Sweden and Turkey. I do not know enough about the other teams to have a definite opinion, but it appears to me that Oranje will have a challenge winning over most of them, especially based on the many comments generated from the last debacle match in which Holland played as poorly as I have ever seen them play. So, from the perspective of fielding any of the teams proposed by the bloggers, which of these teams CAN the Netherlands beat?

]]> By: Caleb http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/last-ec-matches-where-to-start.html/comment-page-1#comment-113717 Caleb Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:23:12 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/last-ec-matches-where-to-start.html#comment-113717 Ah, I see. Still think there are other words that are better to use.. in English polyvalent is only used for medicine and chemistry. Maybe the best is calling someone a 'complete player'? Ah, I see. Still think there are other words that are better to use.. in English polyvalent is only used for medicine and chemistry. Maybe the best is calling someone a ‘complete player’?

]]> By: Jan http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/last-ec-matches-where-to-start.html/comment-page-1#comment-113639 Jan Sat, 24 Nov 2007 06:52:51 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/last-ec-matches-where-to-start.html#comment-113639 polyvalent is a term used by Van Gaal and others and is aimed at players who can build up, pass, dribble, tackle, score, cross, head the ball...in other words, players who can do it all. Like Robin van Persie in ultimo form. Ruud van N is not one of those: horrible tackler. Sneijder comes close (not good with the head). Robben is definitely not. Babel could become one. Etc etc. If you have six of those boys in your team you can play total football... If not, you have to balance your midfield, your left and righ flank, etc. polyvalent is a term used by Van Gaal and others and is aimed at players who can build up, pass, dribble, tackle, score, cross, head the ball…in other words, players who can do it all. Like Robin van Persie in ultimo form. Ruud van N is not one of those: horrible tackler. Sneijder comes close (not good with the head). Robben is definitely not. Babel could become one. Etc etc. If you have six of those boys in your team you can play total football… If not, you have to balance your midfield, your left and righ flank, etc.

]]> By: Caleb http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/last-ec-matches-where-to-start.html/comment-page-1#comment-113619 Caleb Sat, 24 Nov 2007 04:35:07 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/last-ec-matches-where-to-start.html#comment-113619 @ferenc: I agree with goose, than is quite a post. I had to look up the word polyvalent because I've never seen it before.. while it is a real word in chemistry, I don't think it's the word you want to use.. perhaps multi-talented? I have to agree with you about Babel and Kuijt. Babel is a talent for the future, but as of right now he is close to useless. Way to individualistic and needs to be more of a team player. He isn't contributing anything to the team at the moment. Kuijt has great mentality, but lacks the ability to be a top class striker. I agree with the main problem you stated - the team is not behaving like a team. There is no cohesiveness. It's just a bunch of individuals. If we can get are team to act and feel like a team, we may have a chance of doing some good things this ec. @ferenc: I agree with goose, than is quite a post. I had to look up the word polyvalent because I’ve never seen it before.. while it is a real word in chemistry, I don’t think it’s the word you want to use.. perhaps multi-talented?

I have to agree with you about Babel and Kuijt. Babel is a talent for the future, but as of right now he is close to useless. Way to individualistic and needs to be more of a team player. He isn’t contributing anything to the team at the moment. Kuijt has great mentality, but lacks the ability to be a top class striker.

I agree with the main problem you stated – the team is not behaving like a team. There is no cohesiveness. It’s just a bunch of individuals. If we can get are team to act and feel like a team, we may have a chance of doing some good things this ec.

]]> By: tjeerd http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/last-ec-matches-where-to-start.html/comment-page-1#comment-113618 tjeerd Sat, 24 Nov 2007 04:34:32 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/last-ec-matches-where-to-start.html#comment-113618 I think the Eastern Europeans are plaing with true heart and give a shit. ie Croatia, Romania, Czech, Poland etc. I think the Eastern Europeans are plaing with true heart and give a shit.
ie Croatia, Romania, Czech, Poland etc.

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