Comments on: In Frank’s and Henk’s smoking room…. http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/in-franks-and-henks-smoking-room.html World Cup 2010 - South Africa, Oranje, Nederlands Elftal, Eredivisie, Marco van Basten, Dutch football, The Netherlands Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:06:06 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Mario http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/in-franks-and-henks-smoking-room.html/comment-page-1#comment-166551 Mario Tue, 30 Jun 2009 05:30:42 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/in-franks-and-henks-smoking-room.html#comment-166551 Why so pesimistic Tiju?. I think we can go further. But you are right, the coach plays an important role. But I don´t think he has that much influence if the players don´t put their best. My line up today for 2010: 1- Steks 2- van der Wiel 3- Heitinga 4- Mathijsen 5- Braafheid 6- van Bommel 7- Kuyt 8- De Jong 9- van Persie 10- Sneijder 11- Robben Right now Huntelaar and van der Vaart have to win their places because they had a pretty bad season but if they move to another team things can change because they can easily be in the starting line up. Why so pesimistic Tiju?. I think we can go further. But you are right, the coach plays an important role. But I don´t think he has that much influence if the players don´t put their best.

My line up today for 2010:

1- Steks
2- van der Wiel
3- Heitinga
4- Mathijsen
5- Braafheid
6- van Bommel
7- Kuyt
8- De Jong
9- van Persie
10- Sneijder
11- Robben

Right now Huntelaar and van der Vaart have to win their places because they had a pretty bad season but if they move to another team things can change because they can easily be in the starting line up.

]]> By: Tiju http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/in-franks-and-henks-smoking-room.html/comment-page-1#comment-166550 Tiju Tue, 30 Jun 2009 04:07:03 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/in-franks-and-henks-smoking-room.html#comment-166550 @mario 75% is in the hands of BVM ,hope he will select the right players for the right game.i dont belive in luck now (previously i belived)coz if you want to win the WC ,you should be able to beat anyteam. OUr last generation player dont know hoe to take penalty kicks thats why they lost in several penalties and VDS is not so good as a penaltystopper. we need the follow ingardient A coach who is opened to all current best dutch players irrespective of realtionships,definitly in attacking positions he does not need to look in to experience.(Still i belive with hunter & castelen in WC2006 we would have won the title) Avoid selfish players(irrespective of their skills). Avoid uncontrollable players. Give the captain band to the most the rightman. in our case we need to take some toughnailed diffenders such as brapheid,zuiverloon,marcelis etc instead of ooiger,Gio,heitinga. Dont think i am negative i am always positive and optimistic,but i know the reality,Maximum may be quarterfinal we will reach thats it. But at the same time i am sad coz we are going to waste the goldenchance of winning a WC with this much talents in our pocket. @mario 75% is in the hands of BVM ,hope he will select the right players for the right game.i dont belive in luck now (previously i belived)coz if you want to win the WC ,you should be able to beat anyteam.
OUr last generation player dont know hoe to take penalty kicks thats why they lost in several penalties and VDS is not so good as a penaltystopper.
we need the follow ingardient
A coach who is opened to all current best dutch players irrespective of realtionships,definitly in attacking positions he does not need to look in to experience.(Still i belive with hunter & castelen in WC2006 we would have won the title)
Avoid selfish players(irrespective of their skills).
Avoid uncontrollable players.
Give the captain band to the most the rightman.
in our case we need to take some toughnailed diffenders such as brapheid,zuiverloon,marcelis etc instead of ooiger,Gio,heitinga.
Dont think i am negative i am always positive and optimistic,but i know the reality,Maximum may be quarterfinal we will reach thats it.
But at the same time i am sad coz we are going to waste the goldenchance of winning a WC with this much talents in our pocket.

]]> By: Mario http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/in-franks-and-henks-smoking-room.html/comment-page-1#comment-166548 Mario Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:41:09 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/in-franks-and-henks-smoking-room.html#comment-166548 Yes Carlos...luck is a factor. And Holland has had bad luck at times...penalties, bad refereeing, playing finals against the hosts, among other things that we all must remember. Hopefully in 2010 lady luck will be in our side!!! Yes Carlos…luck is a factor. And Holland has had bad luck at times…penalties, bad refereeing, playing finals against the hosts, among other things that we all must remember.

Hopefully in 2010 lady luck will be in our side!!!

]]> By: finnster01 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/in-franks-and-henks-smoking-room.html/comment-page-1#comment-166547 finnster01 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:38:27 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/in-franks-and-henks-smoking-room.html#comment-166547 @Carlos: You also need homefield advantage, a military junta in charge, and a big fat wallet. Like in 1978 in a country that shall remind nameless. @Carlos: You also need homefield advantage, a military junta in charge, and a big fat wallet. Like in 1978 in a country that shall remind nameless.

]]> By: Carlos http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/in-franks-and-henks-smoking-room.html/comment-page-1#comment-166546 Carlos Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:22:23 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/in-franks-and-henks-smoking-room.html#comment-166546 Good post Mario - but dont forget the one ingredient that every team needs on the way to winning the WC - Luck ! They need that too. Good post Mario – but dont forget the one ingredient that every team needs on the way to winning the WC – Luck ! They need that too.

]]> By: Mario http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/in-franks-and-henks-smoking-room.html/comment-page-1#comment-166543 Mario Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:23:24 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/in-franks-and-henks-smoking-room.html#comment-166543 Rijkaard is a great coach and still very young. He still has a great future. About the 1998 team you can´t compare it to today´s team because that team had many years playing together. Most of the players from that generation came from the great Ajax of 1995...van der Sar, Reiziger, Bogarde, Davids, Seedorf, Overmars, Kluivert, Ronald and Frank de Boer. So they knew each other pretty well and what Hiddink did in 1998 was a failure in my opinion because with those players van Gaal ruled Europe and the world with his Ajax. Perhaps that was van Gaal moment for the National team, he knew the players and they had just won the Champions League 3 years before with him. Hiddink should have beaten Brazil and then France in the final. Today´s team is just starting to play as a team and I don´t think that they lack mentality because most of them have won trophies either in Holland or in Europe. What they need is to be consistent, something that at Euro 2008 they showed that they aren´t for the reasons we all know. The team has played a great qualification campaign but that doesn´t count for nothing if they don´t win the World Cup. As for my opinion Holland should not be satisfied achieving a quarfinals place or a second or third position in the World Cup. When you have been so close to win that tournament, have won a European Championships and when Holland´s clubs like Ajax, PSV and Feyenoord have been able to win the Champions League they how come you can be pleased by achieving a second or third spot???. What Holland has achieved in the past Euro and in the last World Cup was a complete failure. Except WC 2002 in which Holland didn´t go, the results were way better. In 1998, 2000, 2004 we reached the semifinals and although I think that we could have done better then in 2006 and 2008 with van Basten the team failed miserably. Now those players like Robben, Sneijder, Rafa, Huntelaar, Persie and the rest have to show what they are made of. This is not their first tournament with Holland and for me they are ready to go for gold. Can they achieve it???. I am positive they can, but team spirit, concentration, passion, mentalisy, team play and hunger have to be there every second because if you sleep for a second you are out. Ask Spain... Rijkaard is a great coach and still very young. He still has a great future.

About the 1998 team you can´t compare it to today´s team because that team had many years playing together. Most of the players from that generation came from the great Ajax of 1995…van der Sar, Reiziger, Bogarde, Davids, Seedorf, Overmars, Kluivert, Ronald and Frank de Boer. So they knew each other pretty well and what Hiddink did in 1998 was a failure in my opinion because with those players van Gaal ruled Europe and the world with his Ajax. Perhaps that was van Gaal moment for the National team, he knew the players and they had just won the Champions League 3 years before with him. Hiddink should have beaten Brazil and then France in the final.

Today´s team is just starting to play as a team and I don´t think that they lack mentality because most of them have won trophies either in Holland or in Europe. What they need is to be consistent, something that at Euro 2008 they showed that they aren´t for the reasons we all know. The team has played a great qualification campaign but that doesn´t count for nothing if they don´t win the World Cup. As for my opinion Holland should not be satisfied achieving a quarfinals place or a second or third position in the World Cup. When you have been so close to win that tournament, have won a European Championships and when Holland´s clubs like Ajax, PSV and Feyenoord have been able to win the Champions League they how come you can be pleased by achieving a second or third spot???.

What Holland has achieved in the past Euro and in the last World Cup was a complete failure. Except WC 2002 in which Holland didn´t go, the results were way better. In 1998, 2000, 2004 we reached the semifinals and although I think that we could have done better then in 2006 and 2008 with van Basten the team failed miserably. Now those players like Robben, Sneijder, Rafa, Huntelaar, Persie and the rest have to show what they are made of. This is not their first tournament with Holland and for me they are ready to go for gold.

Can they achieve it???. I am positive they can, but team spirit, concentration, passion, mentalisy, team play and hunger have to be there every second because if you sleep for a second you are out. Ask Spain…

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