Comments on: Huntelaar in, Robben out… http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/huntelaar-in-robben-out.html World Cup 2010 - South Africa, Oranje, Nederlands Elftal, Eredivisie, Marco van Basten, Dutch football, The Netherlands Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:05:34 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Jan http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/huntelaar-in-robben-out.html/comment-page-1#comment-90290 Jan Mon, 03 Sep 2007 23:23:27 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/huntelaar-in-robben-out.html#comment-90290 Van Basten always denies this, foolishly, but as a coach you can't just select on football skills alone. Look at Anelka, or Effenberg or Andy Muller...sometimes a player doesn't have the right personality or mentality. I think Kromkamp is one of those boys. He just isn't a "secure bet" as they say in Dutch (een zekerheidje). Sometimes he feels faint pains and little injuries, sometimes he neglects tactical tasks... I think Marco doesn't like to work with him because of that. I'm convinced that happened between Marco and Bommel as well. As they say in French, incompatibilite des humeurs... A collision of characters freely translated. Jaliens is the type of defender we see more in Holland (Tiendali, Bouma). They have the skills and motivation but they're chokers. If the pressure is on and they're away from their comfort zone (Bouma - Hiddink, Jaliens - Van Gaal) then they can't deliver. What Sneijder did at Real is stuff of top players: being able to excel in a new country, new language, new stadium, new team mates, new coach... no pressure, no nerves... That alone makes Sneijder a top player for me. Even Van Bommel played "differently" at Barca at first. Van Basten can't come out and say these things about Kromkamp and Van Bommel (I think he could, actually) so it's always a bit murky in that area... Van Basten always denies this, foolishly, but as a coach you can’t just select on football skills alone. Look at Anelka, or Effenberg or Andy Muller…sometimes a player doesn’t have the right personality or mentality. I think Kromkamp is one of those boys. He just isn’t a “secure bet” as they say in Dutch (een zekerheidje). Sometimes he feels faint pains and little injuries, sometimes he neglects tactical tasks… I think Marco doesn’t like to work with him because of that. I’m convinced that happened between Marco and Bommel as well. As they say in French, incompatibilite des humeurs… A collision of characters freely translated.

Jaliens is the type of defender we see more in Holland (Tiendali, Bouma). They have the skills and motivation but they’re chokers. If the pressure is on and they’re away from their comfort zone (Bouma – Hiddink, Jaliens – Van Gaal) then they can’t deliver.

What Sneijder did at Real is stuff of top players: being able to excel in a new country, new language, new stadium, new team mates, new coach… no pressure, no nerves… That alone makes Sneijder a top player for me.
Even Van Bommel played “differently” at Barca at first.

Van Basten can’t come out and say these things about Kromkamp and Van Bommel (I think he could, actually) so it’s always a bit murky in that area…

]]> By: goose http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/huntelaar-in-robben-out.html/comment-page-1#comment-90220 goose Mon, 03 Sep 2007 15:48:26 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/huntelaar-in-robben-out.html#comment-90220 @gaz; dont know why vanBasten doenst like Kromkamp, i think hes the best right-back we have by a mile..he can also attack pretty good..Marco just seem to have some fav. players (like deJong, Emmanuelson, Landzaat) whom he always selects even when they play crap..i thin Jaliens is just not good enough, we saw that again v the Swiss havent seen Bouma that much (tough saw him live last year), thought he may be grown a bit... btw: good weekend for the dutch, nice goal by Babel to open his account for Liverpool..eager to see some of the Real match. how was Barca ferenc? Ronaldinho x2..did he play Henry this time? just less then a week now!! grtz @gaz; dont know why vanBasten doenst like Kromkamp, i think hes the best right-back we have by a mile..he can also attack pretty good..Marco just seem to have some fav. players (like deJong, Emmanuelson, Landzaat) whom he always selects even when they play crap..i thin Jaliens is just not good enough, we saw that again v the Swiss
havent seen Bouma that much (tough saw him live last year), thought he may be grown a bit…

btw: good weekend for the dutch, nice goal by Babel to open his account for Liverpool..eager to see some of the Real match.

how was Barca ferenc? Ronaldinho x2..did he play Henry this time?

just less then a week now!!

grtz

]]> By: tiju thomas http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/huntelaar-in-robben-out.html/comment-page-1#comment-90213 tiju thomas Mon, 03 Sep 2007 14:53:44 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/huntelaar-in-robben-out.html#comment-90213 Wat gaz ? We r having the problems in back tat is becauese of these players mainly bula kew tim de parially gio urby we need to beat tough teams like france/england/portugal/italy in euro is it possible wuth gio,kew,quite,znider,bula, etc kromp camp is better than kew in all the way.otherwise go for hetinga and zuiverloon/tyndally Why gio and urby in left? why he is not using donk and bouma in LB position(think in different way)donk can play in left and center bouma too.(bothof them are good strong and good in air with attacking in mind) Wat gaz ?
We r having the problems in back tat is becauese of these players
mainly
bula
kew
tim de
parially
gio
urby

we need to beat tough teams like france/england/portugal/italy in euro is it possible wuth
gio,kew,quite,znider,bula, etc
kromp camp is better than kew in all the way.otherwise go for hetinga and zuiverloon/tyndally
Why gio and urby in left?
why he is not using donk and bouma in LB position(think in different way)donk can play in left and center bouma too.(bothof them are good strong and good in air with attacking in mind)

]]> By: gAZ http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/huntelaar-in-robben-out.html/comment-page-1#comment-90200 gAZ Mon, 03 Sep 2007 13:38:47 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/huntelaar-in-robben-out.html#comment-90200 Not sure what you all have against Jaliens - quick defender, calm and very consistent. Not sure why Kromkamp and de Cler are not there, definitely the best fullbacks Nederland could pick. Bouma has been average in England, the less said about Melchiot and Boulahrouz (much as I like them) the better. Not sure what you all have against Jaliens – quick defender, calm and very consistent.

Not sure why Kromkamp and de Cler are not there, definitely the best fullbacks Nederland could pick. Bouma has been average in England, the less said about Melchiot and Boulahrouz (much as I like them) the better.

]]> By: goose http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/huntelaar-in-robben-out.html/comment-page-1#comment-90009 goose Sun, 02 Sep 2007 18:24:00 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/huntelaar-in-robben-out.html#comment-90009 @Bob; totally agree with your assesment(?) on the lines in Oranje but not so sure about the conclusian; you can also say: with 4-3-3 and therefor ball position you have less stress on the defenders (if played correctly ofcourse) have been watching some Oranje 70's tapes and to be honest, we never had a good defence (Rijsberger, Krol..even the goalie wasnt that good..vanBeveren was better but he didnt want to play with Cruijff) but that was no problem cause we had possession all of the time...now im not saying we could play that kind of football with the current team, just that with 4-2-2 you can have the same stress on the defenders..furthermore; our midfield is ok but its full of good attacking midfielders and low on defensive ones (btw: Heitinga plays on midfield for Ajax nowadays) grtz @Bob; totally agree with your assesment(?) on the lines in Oranje

but not so sure about the conclusian; you can also say: with 4-3-3 and therefor ball position you have less stress on the defenders (if played correctly ofcourse)
have been watching some Oranje 70’s tapes and to be honest, we never had a good defence (Rijsberger, Krol..even the goalie wasnt that good..vanBeveren was better but he didnt want to play with Cruijff) but that was no problem cause we had possession all of the time…now im not saying we could play that kind of football with the current team, just that with 4-2-2 you can have the same stress on the defenders..furthermore; our midfield is ok but its full of good attacking midfielders and low on defensive ones (btw: Heitinga plays on midfield for Ajax nowadays)
grtz

]]> By: Bob http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/huntelaar-in-robben-out.html/comment-page-1#comment-89984 Bob Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:42:48 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/huntelaar-in-robben-out.html#comment-89984 The focus on Boulahrouz to Jan's August 31 blog regarding the current national team selections is very interesting. In may opinion,each of the "lines" can be "graded" as follows: Attack: Strong, above average for a national team and with some positive potential now that Huntelaar is back on. I saw him play in Amsterdam in early April, with Ajax, and I like his skills and attitude. Midfield: Strong, average for a national team and with potential for above average/excellent. It is important how van Basten will form these athletes, but there is some high level skill in this group. I believe they are better suited for a 4-4-2 formation. Defense: Mediocre, with no top class defender in the group. Boulahrouz may be fearful, but that cuts both ways and generally leads to misconduct and the antagonism of the opponent. Remember the Portugal match at last years World Cup? Based on the weaknesses in defense, and the potential for a strong midfield, the 4-4-2 is the better formation for these particular athletes. It is also the formation which most of them play anyway, for their club teams, which I think adds another advantage to the choice. As I've written before, van Basten needs to look to deHaan for his role model, to use as a mentor. 4-4-2 could take advantage of the strengths of this team and help cover its greatest weakness with the use of a talented midfield. The focus on Boulahrouz to Jan’s August 31 blog regarding the current national team selections is very interesting. In may opinion,each of the “lines” can be “graded” as follows:

Attack: Strong, above average for a national team and with some positive potential now that Huntelaar is back on. I saw him play in Amsterdam in early April, with Ajax, and I like his skills and attitude.

Midfield: Strong, average for a national team and with potential for above average/excellent. It is important how van Basten will form these athletes, but there is some high level skill in this group. I believe they are better suited for a 4-4-2 formation.

Defense: Mediocre, with no top class defender in the group. Boulahrouz may be fearful, but that cuts both ways and generally leads to misconduct and the antagonism of the opponent. Remember the Portugal match at last years World Cup?

Based on the weaknesses in defense, and the potential for a strong midfield, the 4-4-2 is the better formation for these particular athletes. It is also the formation which most of them play anyway, for their club teams, which I think adds another advantage to the choice. As I’ve written before, van Basten needs to look to deHaan for his role model, to use as a mentor. 4-4-2 could take advantage of the strengths of this team and help cover its greatest weakness with the use of a talented midfield.

]]> By: Xerox http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/huntelaar-in-robben-out.html/comment-page-1#comment-89967 Xerox Sun, 02 Sep 2007 13:13:03 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/huntelaar-in-robben-out.html#comment-89967 i think boularouz did pretty well before his injury at chelsea, then he was on the bench many times. i appreciated his match against barca when he played at right back and was man marking Ronaldhino. but obviously he's better at centre back. he has just arrived at sevilla, i think some time is needed to know what he can do there. i really prefer having him with me than against me. he gives the team some character. he's good in the air, physically ok, good pace, but technically below par, but who cares for a defender. just hope he can make it at sevilla and do well for the selection... i think boularouz did pretty well before his injury at chelsea, then he was on the bench many times. i appreciated his match against barca when he played at right back and was man marking Ronaldhino. but obviously he’s better at centre back.

he has just arrived at sevilla, i think some time is needed to know what he can do there. i really prefer having him with me than against me. he gives the team some character. he’s good in the air, physically ok, good pace, but technically below par, but who cares for a defender.

just hope he can make it at sevilla and do well for the selection…

]]> By: netherlandfanboy http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/huntelaar-in-robben-out.html/comment-page-1#comment-89908 netherlandfanboy Sun, 02 Sep 2007 08:57:55 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/huntelaar-in-robben-out.html#comment-89908 I think Boula play really good b4 he came to Chelsea. At Chelsea, the competition for a place in starting XI is so hard and he didn't have enough confidence. That's why he failed but basically he once had the skills to become world class player. Now I'm not sure cuz he was benched too many times. He can come back like Davids did or maybe never like Bogarde, Zenden and many others. I think Boula play really good b4 he came to Chelsea. At Chelsea, the competition for a place in starting XI is so hard and he didn’t have enough confidence. That’s why he failed but basically he once had the skills to become world class player. Now I’m not sure cuz he was benched too many times. He can come back like Davids did or maybe never like Bogarde, Zenden and many others.

]]> By: Jan http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/huntelaar-in-robben-out.html/comment-page-1#comment-89865 Jan Sun, 02 Sep 2007 02:38:06 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/huntelaar-in-robben-out.html#comment-89865 Ferenc, thanks for putting me straight :-) on Stam and Boulah. BUT... Boulah is a player who needs a lot of trust from his coach. Jol picked Boulah up when he was going nowhere and within 1 season he could pick his European sub top club. Mourinho was never happy with Boulah. They clashed over something early on, and that was it. Mourinho is a bossy guy and Boulah is very stubborn and proud. With the center spot and the right coach and approach, Boula is Gold! Ferenc, thanks for putting me straight :-) on Stam and Boulah.

BUT… Boulah is a player who needs a lot of trust from his coach. Jol picked Boulah up when he was going nowhere and within 1 season he could pick his European sub top club. Mourinho was never happy with Boulah. They clashed over something early on, and that was it. Mourinho is a bossy guy and Boulah is very stubborn and proud. With the center spot and the right coach and approach, Boula is Gold!

]]> By: Miguel Rosado http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/huntelaar-in-robben-out.html/comment-page-1#comment-89806 Miguel Rosado Sat, 01 Sep 2007 19:24:00 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/huntelaar-in-robben-out.html#comment-89806 Boulahrouz has a lot of potential but when he was at chelsea Mourinho used him as right back and he really sucks there, but when he plays on the center of defense he shows he is a quality player. He needs to start playing on a regular basis or he will be lost. Boulahrouz has a lot of potential but when he was at chelsea Mourinho used him as right back and he really sucks there, but when he plays on the center of defense he shows he is a quality player.
He needs to start playing on a regular basis or he will be lost.

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