Comments on: Dutch Masters: Arnold “Arnie” Muhren http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/dutch-masters-arnold-arnie-muhren.html World Cup 2010 - South Africa, Oranje, Nederlands Elftal, Eredivisie, Marco van Basten, Dutch football, The Netherlands Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:05:34 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Carlos http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/dutch-masters-arnold-arnie-muhren.html/comment-page-3#comment-158715 Carlos Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:09:26 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/dutch-masters-arnold-arnie-muhren.html#comment-158715 In case anyone gets to see the match again, study Maduro the captain. He is suppose to be the link man the inspirational midfielder. Watch how everytime the ball is with the fullbacks he quickly runs close to a US player so that he wont get the ball. This is known as the shadow midfielder who hides in his opponents shadow so he doesn't need to make any runs. It's also known as cowardly lazy - great example set by the Captain. Didn't he admit to being totally empty after 30 min in the last game? No different here. In case anyone saw Argentina vs Australia - Argentina were awesome...with Riquelme pulling the strings, Messi weaving magic and Mascherano controlling the middle. 3 Classes above Oranje performance yesterday. Everyone asking for the ball - thats the difference. In case anyone gets to see the match again, study Maduro the captain. He is suppose to be the link man the inspirational midfielder. Watch how everytime the ball is with the fullbacks he quickly runs close to a US player so that he wont get the ball. This is known as the shadow midfielder who hides in his opponents shadow so he doesn’t need to make any runs. It’s also known as cowardly lazy – great example set by the Captain. Didn’t he admit to being totally empty after 30 min in the last game? No different here.
In case anyone saw Argentina vs Australia – Argentina were awesome…with Riquelme pulling the strings, Messi weaving magic and Mascherano controlling the middle. 3 Classes above Oranje performance yesterday. Everyone asking for the ball – thats the difference.

]]> By: chatchat http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/dutch-masters-arnold-arnie-muhren.html/comment-page-3#comment-158714 chatchat Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:38:25 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/dutch-masters-arnold-arnie-muhren.html#comment-158714 Ha in June you guys criticized Van Basten, now it's de Haan's turn? As I said before, the problems with the Oranje are: 1. the lack of fighting spirit; 2. a weak defence line. If the two problems remain unresolved, they will not go far no matter who the coach is. It's not the coach's problem Ha in June you guys criticized Van Basten, now it’s de Haan’s turn? As I said before, the problems with the Oranje are: 1. the lack of fighting spirit; 2. a weak defence line. If the two problems remain unresolved, they will not go far no matter who the coach is. It’s not the coach’s problem

]]> By: finnster01 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/dutch-masters-arnold-arnie-muhren.html/comment-page-3#comment-158713 finnster01 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:25:13 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/dutch-masters-arnold-arnie-muhren.html#comment-158713 Very disappointed. Bob has it down good in his analysis. The only thing I will add is, again just as in the No 1 Oranje team, there are no "hard men" out there to take care of business and show the team the way to go. Which is why they can not close out games. No Davids. No Neeskens. No Rijkaard sliming opponents. No nothing. Oranje are quickly becoming the "care bears" of international soccer. Lovely little team to watch, fantastic players, never does anything wrong, everyones favorite, and a great team that only loses when it really counts...I don't like it one bit. Where did the old lion go? Very disappointed. Bob has it down good in his analysis. The only thing I will add is, again just as in the No 1 Oranje team, there are no “hard men” out there to take care of business and show the team the way to go. Which is why they can not close out games. No Davids. No Neeskens. No Rijkaard sliming opponents. No nothing. Oranje are quickly becoming the “care bears” of international soccer. Lovely little team to watch, fantastic players, never does anything wrong, everyones favorite, and a great team that only loses when it really counts…I don’t like it one bit. Where did the old lion go?

]]> By: dirk v.d.berg http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/dutch-masters-arnold-arnie-muhren.html/comment-page-3#comment-158712 dirk v.d.berg Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:37:33 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/dutch-masters-arnold-arnie-muhren.html#comment-158712 Amrabats been on fire lately, and he's scoring some very nice goals, like the curler against Everton. Amrabats been on fire lately, and he’s scoring some very nice goals, like the curler against Everton.

]]> By: Bob http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/dutch-masters-arnold-arnie-muhren.html/comment-page-3#comment-158711 Bob Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:35:06 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/dutch-masters-arnold-arnie-muhren.html#comment-158711 The match was disappointing from a Netherlands fan's standpoint, for many of the same reasons we have written about during the past two years. The team started well, and led the score early. Then, unbelievably, the team lost focus, determination and a willingness to put the match away by the end of the first half. Then, in the second half, when we would expect that Foppe de Haan would have inspired the team and made some substitutions, just the opposite appeared to happen. The Dutch came out with no enthusiasm and no tactics. Did they think the US would give up? The US has some very good athletes now, and they showed how to make tactical adjustments combined with a real desire to win the match. Holland should be out, the last second free kick was just plain luck, but I am pleased that the Dutch may still go through to the second round. Issues from this match that must be addressed: What is Maduro doing out there? As captain, he offers little. He seems slow, out of shape, almost as if he is playing injured. Once the other team starts to press the defense, trouble begins. This team, like all Dutch teams, it seems, is weak defensively. Wing play and crosses--it looked great during the first 25 minutes, then went away. Why? Was Makaay injured or not? If not, then why not start him? If injured, then why did he play at all? I have always believed that de Haan is the best coach in the Netherlands. Not today! A 4-3-3 in the second half, with more pressing of the US, and a kicking some "ass" as to attitude would have helped. Drenthe also seemed out of place, moving around and not settling into a productive position, once again happening following the first goal. Veermeer was terrific, even more so based on the very weak defense. I have no idea what the central defenders were thinking today, and the US counter-attacks exposed this incredible defensive weakness. The Dutch must be strong offensively, all the time, in order to shield these defensive weaknesses. Sibon, who substituted late in the match, did come in with the right attitude. He pushed back, challenged some referee calls, and put himself in a position to tie the match. de Haan should start him, give him the captains arm band and let him jack up his teammates. This is a team that I watched win two U21 Euro Championships, playing excellent football. Where did that team and that coach go, today? I am an American, I love my country, but I also love Netherlands football and have for a very long time. Today's performance made me very sad. Unless de Haan gets a better handle on this group of athletes, they will not go far if they advance. The match was disappointing from a Netherlands fan’s standpoint, for many of the same reasons we have written about during the past two years. The team started well, and led the score early. Then, unbelievably, the team lost focus, determination and a willingness to put the match away by the end of the first half. Then, in the second half, when we would expect that Foppe de Haan would have inspired the team and made some substitutions, just the opposite appeared to happen. The Dutch came out with no enthusiasm and no tactics. Did they think the US would give up? The US has some very good athletes now, and they showed how to make tactical adjustments combined with a real desire to win the match. Holland should be out, the last second free kick was just plain luck, but I am pleased that the Dutch may still go through to the second round.

Issues from this match that must be addressed:

What is Maduro doing out there? As captain, he offers little. He seems slow, out of shape, almost as if he is playing injured.

Once the other team starts to press the defense, trouble begins. This team, like all Dutch teams, it seems, is weak defensively.

Wing play and crosses–it looked great during the first 25 minutes, then went away. Why?

Was Makaay injured or not? If not, then why not start him? If injured, then why did he play at all?

I have always believed that de Haan is the best coach in the Netherlands. Not today! A 4-3-3 in the second half, with more pressing of the US, and a kicking some “ass” as to attitude would have helped. Drenthe also seemed out of place, moving around and not settling into a productive position, once again happening following the first goal.

Veermeer was terrific, even more so based on the very weak defense. I have no idea what the central defenders were thinking today, and the US counter-attacks exposed this incredible defensive weakness. The Dutch must be strong offensively, all the time, in order to shield these defensive weaknesses.

Sibon, who substituted late in the match, did come in with the right attitude. He pushed back, challenged some referee calls, and put himself in a position to tie the match. de Haan should start him, give him the captains arm band and let him jack up his teammates.

This is a team that I watched win two U21 Euro Championships, playing excellent football. Where did that team and that coach go, today? I am an American, I love my country, but I also love Netherlands football and have for a very long time. Today’s performance made me very sad. Unless de Haan gets a better handle on this group of athletes, they will not go far if they advance.

]]> By: dirk v.d.berg http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/dutch-masters-arnold-arnie-muhren.html/comment-page-3#comment-158710 dirk v.d.berg Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:31:16 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/dutch-masters-arnold-arnie-muhren.html#comment-158710 Maduro's continually getting worse. He got a free move to a top club because of his coach, even though he wasn't performing at Ajax. @Jan, its amazing that Overmars is playing again, I just finished reading that. Maduro’s continually getting worse. He got a free move to a top club because of his coach, even though he wasn’t performing at Ajax.

@Jan, its amazing that Overmars is playing again, I just finished reading that.

]]> By: alaa http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/dutch-masters-arnold-arnie-muhren.html/comment-page-3#comment-158709 alaa Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:25:12 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/dutch-masters-arnold-arnie-muhren.html#comment-158709 welcome back jan! welcome back jan!

]]> By: Carlos http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/dutch-masters-arnold-arnie-muhren.html/comment-page-3#comment-158708 Carlos Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:12:14 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/dutch-masters-arnold-arnie-muhren.html#comment-158708 Hey guys Here's a little comment on the game against USA. We were extremely lucky to get away with a draw in the last 20 secs of the match.Started quite well,could have had 2 more, thenwe sagged. Most players looked very lazy especially Maduro who was captain??? No midfielders asking for the ball.Defence had to be alert and Marcelis/Zuiverloon were the best with Vermeer too. Drenthe played as if he was on holidays...Babel not much better.Beerens made some good runs but why Foppe kept Maduro on is beyond me ? Well this was bad,suppose we can only get better (hoping) Hey guys
Here’s a little comment on the game against USA.
We were extremely lucky to get away with a draw in the last 20 secs of the match.Started quite well,could have had 2 more, thenwe sagged.
Most players looked very lazy especially Maduro who was captain???
No midfielders asking for the ball.Defence had to be alert and Marcelis/Zuiverloon were the best with Vermeer too. Drenthe played as if he was on holidays…Babel not much better.Beerens made some good runs but why Foppe kept Maduro on is beyond me ?
Well this was bad,suppose we can only get better (hoping)

]]> By: Jan http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/dutch-masters-arnold-arnie-muhren.html/comment-page-3#comment-158707 Jan Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:22:08 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/dutch-masters-arnold-arnie-muhren.html#comment-158707 Hi all, I'm back! Thanks for keeping this blog going :-), my goodness 100+ comments!!! Well done. I'll post more later, but hot news: Marc Overmars returns!! After his stint at Jaap Stam's farewell he decided to play for Go Ahead Eagles in Deventer again, his old club. Yeah... Goose, I wrote the Muhren article on the basis of a VI article and several internet sites. Sorry I again didn't mention the source. Where's Lerkot?? Watch this space my friends... Hi all, I’m back! Thanks for keeping this blog going :-) , my goodness 100+ comments!!! Well done.

I’ll post more later, but hot news:

Marc Overmars returns!! After his stint at Jaap Stam’s farewell he decided to play for Go Ahead Eagles in Deventer again, his old club. Yeah…

Goose, I wrote the Muhren article on the basis of a VI article and several internet sites. Sorry I again didn’t mention the source.

Where’s Lerkot??

Watch this space my friends…

]]> By: Michel-Olivier http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/dutch-masters-arnold-arnie-muhren.html/comment-page-2#comment-158706 Michel-Olivier Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:07:00 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/dutch-masters-arnold-arnie-muhren.html#comment-158706 @ alaa no prob @ goose "didnt they start terrible during the U21 EC??" this is different, the olympic is like the toulon tournament with a few more teams and good quality players. @ alaa
no prob

@ goose
“didnt they start terrible during the U21 EC??”
this is different, the olympic is like the toulon tournament with a few more teams and good quality players.

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