Devil’s advocate post for Marco

September 17th, 2007 | By: Jan | 7 Comments »

I wanted to give it a go. It’s just a post. Don’t shoot me.

Here are my musings…

1. Qualification matches are always tough. Here’s why…

Players are taken out of their comfort zone, their club vibe and for a week or so put in another dynamics. Another hierarchy, another coach, maybe another role… That takes time. The dynamics change all the time too. Last year, Van Persie was a “youngster”, now he is one of the leaders.

There is not enough time for a team manager to implement specific tactics (see Van Gaal as well) and you’ll have to go with what you’ve got.

A national team manager can’t make players better. That’s not their role.

Most qualification opponents have no chance in hell to reach the end tournament so they play destructive. Against Rumania, one can play football (or try to play football) against Far Oer, Wales, Iceland, Albania, Malta, Luxembourg, San Marino it’s tough. It’s hard.

See France and Scotland. England. Italy. Spain.

2. Van Basten promised attractive football, the idiot!

See, it seems we sort of punish him for trying. I think what he said three years ago was sincere. He is a football fan more than anything else and now he finds out it’s hard to do and it’s sometimes not worth it. Sometimes (particular in qualifactions) you need to play for the results and be happy that you get 6 points out of 2 dreadful matches.

3. Our material is not that good

We do have great individual players but we miss the axes and we miss the leader/build up guy at the back (Koeman, Scirea, Beckenbauer, Morten Olsen, Frank de Boer, Ayala, Marquez, Pirlo etc). Our great players are: Van Nistelrooy, Van Persie, Van der Vaart, Seedorf. Our sometimes great and sometimes not so great players are: Robben, Sneijder, Van der Sar, De Zeeuw. Our mediocre players are: Kuyt, Huntelaar, Gio, Heitinga, Ooijer, Boulah, De Cler, Melchiot… Our less than average players are: Bouma, Landzaat, Mathijsen, De Jong. Vennegoor of Hesselink (can’t decide between the two…)…. A couple of great players great team make not, as Yoda says…. :-)

4. The communication is lousy.

Marco van Basten (and Kees Jansma!!!) are lousy communicators. I always learned: when you’ve got a turd in your mouth: don’t chew it… Just swallow it… They should come out and say: “Fuckin’ hell, that was one bad game. We were dreadful. We’re so sorry. We hate this too. But, we have the three points and we’ll work on it. Honestly.”

No one in Holland is “angry” for the 3 points we got against Albania, and I think not even for the dreadful play, but more for the fact that Marco and co. want to make us believe we played a great game!! And that is, I fear, the inexperienced coach/football fan who is still to overwhelmed by the match when he enters the press conference.

Telling the press “he’ll bring Huntelaar to the WC” and then leaving him home, telling the press “Ruud is my man”, telling the press “Davids reminds him of Jan Wouters”, telling the press “he’ll change the team for Albania where he can” and then not changing it…

5. What is “good”?

Another aspect is: what do we mean by “good”? When we say we want good football, we mean: high paced football, dominating, passing and re-positioning, wingers, crosses in the box, players coming in from midfield, fore-checking and pressing, long balls over 40 meters aimed at Bergkamp…well….you know what I mean…

But if Marco sees his team struggle against Albania (reasons: form, field, referee, opponent, whatever) he thinks: if we do not give anything away, stay focused and work hard, we could get our goal… And if we do, we did “good”.

See, in view of the circumstances, Oranje did good. They stuck to the tasks set out for them. They were lucky (but JC always taught Marco that luck is something you can manifest), they worked hard and they kept believing in themselves (or in Ruud).

After a terrible experience in Albania (hostile fans, bad ref, KNVB not allowed in the stadium etc etc) they come home, relieved and happy. They have the result. And then the media attack them: it was dreadful, it was lousy, you should be ashamed of yourself, etc etc… I can really empathize with the Oranje boys that they – in turn – are agitated and annoyed with this….

Ok, now shoot me :-)



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Username By Rami | September 17th, 2007 at 8:00 pm
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loved reading that post Jan.. Great one!!

obviously not convinced i should stop asking for him to be sacked.. far from it!! but still , great post :)

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Username By JVB21 | September 17th, 2007 at 10:32 pm
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Great post as usual. Personally there are times when I’m charmed by Marco’s idealism and naiveté, but then he blunders once again and it makes me scratch my head. If Oranje do well in 08 it will most certainly be in spite of Marco. The squad short comings you pointed out Jan can only be overcome by tactics and team play. Dazzling defenders are not going to pop out of the tulip fields before next summer, so Marco had better book himself into a few “Leadership” seminars in Vegas pronto.

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Username By Samuel Knight (Oudegeest) | September 18th, 2007 at 8:51 am
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Exellent Post. Marco and his national team needed to get 6 points – and they got them.

Although Van Baasten appears to be a lousy communicator and not-so-hot on on-field tactics, we don’t see anyone else clammering for the coaching slot. Sorta blame Cruyff for that – why didn’t he take the mantle for a couple of years with Van Baasten as an assistant rather than just pushing Van Baasten too fast?

Third, Holland doesn’t have a well balanced talent pool right now. Great talent up front – great goalie. But no good stoppers on defense – and no great passers from back there.

Hope that Gio steps back and Drenthe steps up at Real. Would be nice to have a whole string of guys who practice together on one side of the field – Drenthe, Schnijder, Robben and Van N.

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Username By goose | September 18th, 2007 at 11:09 am
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@SK; well, nothing bad can be sais about the results (maybe 1-0 agaisnt Lux; Alb; isnt that great a result) but the problem i have is that there is no progress, there hasnt been any in years…nothing can be said about the results but how about Marco still hanging on to his beloved 4-3-3 which has proven not to work with the players we have at the moment (esp. when you have so little balance as you say)

great piece Jan, looks like they get better and better..always great to play the devils advocate eh?!

grtz

btw; vanBasten should be sacked!!

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Username By Samuel Knight (Oudegeest) | September 18th, 2007 at 11:26 am
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Goose.

I’m not very happy with Van Baasten either. I don’t see him doing much imaginative. And do see him being incredibly stubborn.

Oranje has been fairly lucky in lots of games – great players have bailed the team out.

And I agree trying to squeeze players who train under different systems into a 4-3-3 wastes too much energy.

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Username By Bob | September 18th, 2007 at 11:28 am
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Jan, this statement regarding van Basten is the reason we keep coming back to read, and learn and think. A very nice analysis, which is accurate, truth-filled and direct–all very Dutch qualities!
One of van Basten’s problems is living up to the level he reached when playing, as a yardstick for measuring his success and skills as a coach. I think we want him to be, as Cruyff was, gifted as a coach as well as a player. His record is commendable and, considering the current level of talent, reflective of the potential of his team. Strategically and tactically he does not seem very astute. However,it seems that the players respect him ( a valuable quality ) and are willing to work within his system. In the end, there are many more talented and competent coaches/trainers in the Netherlands than van Basten, and perhaps that is the greatest frustration of all–why did the KNVB not appoint the best the Dutch have to offer at this time?

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Username By goose | September 18th, 2007 at 12:12 pm
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@Bob; ofcourse we want vanBasten to be as good as Cruijff was (as a manager) but he just isnt

its true that being a famous player has pro and negatives; the fact his players respect him is cause of his past; the fact that hes manager is cause of his past; the reason the press let him of the hook is cuase of his past, the only negative i can think of is the one you name; expectations…but any manager who becomes Bondscoach should have to live with expectations

i really dont know why the KNVB got in this ‘lets appoint a manager with no experience’mood, remember it started with Rijkaard.. were will it end; next Bondscoach: FdeBoer..mark my words!!

grtz

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