Comments on: Can’t fly without wings… http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/can%e2%80%99t-fly-without-wings.html World Cup 2010 - South Africa, Oranje, Nederlands Elftal, Eredivisie, Marco van Basten, Dutch football, The Netherlands Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:27:21 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: misha http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/can%e2%80%99t-fly-without-wings.html/comment-page-1#comment-8289 misha Wed, 18 Oct 2006 04:28:29 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/can%e2%80%99t-fly-without-wings.html#comment-8289 Also, even if he was selected and we beat England, that would'nt prove anything, because England is mediocre at best, so I expect we will win with or without Seedorf but this result would not convince me that the team is capable of beating tough competition, which England currently are not. These are dark days for Oranje fans and the Seedorf of Oranje teams from the past is equivelent to todays Landzaat. Also, even if he was selected and we beat England, that would’nt prove anything, because England is mediocre at best, so I expect we will win with or without Seedorf but this result would not convince me that the team is capable of beating tough competition, which England currently are not. These are dark days for Oranje fans and the Seedorf of Oranje teams from the past is equivelent to todays Landzaat.

]]> By: misha http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/can%e2%80%99t-fly-without-wings.html/comment-page-1#comment-8288 misha Wed, 18 Oct 2006 04:16:48 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/can%e2%80%99t-fly-without-wings.html#comment-8288 Well Rami, if u ask me, I would say that I have never been very impressed with Seedorf while wearing an Oranje jersey in the past. In a mid field loaded with talent the likes of Davids, Zenden, Marc Overmars and Cocu, Seedorf was always the weakest link. He was slow, held on to the ball too much, and was constantly frustrated, which is why he was mostly held in reserve and brought on in substitution. I will admit that the last 4-5 years have been his best, he seems to have matured and settled into a vital role with AC Milan who I hate! However, he has never struck me as a natural leader, in my opinion he has always played in the shadow of Davids, who is a naturally strong personality. And has tried to emilate him, from his hairstyle, to his playing style. So I question his leadership abilities even on such a young team. In my opinion Van Bommel is a far more valuable and important player, but is too individualistic to ever bother taking on an inspirational leadership role in the team. However, I don't believe Seedorf is a leader either and I do believe Van Bommel is simply a better and more effective player, so given the choice I would go with Van Bommel, but that is no longer an option for MVB, and bringing back Seedorf is not a solution for the situation MVB has backed himself into or the cure for the teams lack of leadership. Just my opinion. Well Rami, if u ask me, I would say that I have never been very impressed with Seedorf while wearing an Oranje jersey in the past. In a mid field loaded with talent the likes of Davids, Zenden, Marc Overmars and Cocu, Seedorf was always the weakest link. He was slow, held on to the ball too much, and was constantly frustrated, which is why he was mostly held in reserve and brought on in substitution.
I will admit that the last 4-5 years have been his best, he seems to have matured and settled into a vital role with AC Milan who I hate! However, he has never struck me as a natural leader, in my opinion he has always played in the shadow of Davids, who is a naturally strong personality. And has tried to emilate him, from his hairstyle, to his playing style. So I question his leadership abilities even on such a young team. In my opinion Van Bommel is a far more valuable and important player, but is too individualistic to ever bother taking on an inspirational leadership role in the team. However, I don’t believe Seedorf is a leader either and I do believe Van Bommel is simply a better and more effective player, so given the choice I would go with Van Bommel, but that is no longer an option for MVB, and bringing back Seedorf is not a solution for the situation MVB has backed himself into or the cure for the teams lack of leadership. Just my opinion.

]]> By: Dr.Mansur http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/can%e2%80%99t-fly-without-wings.html/comment-page-1#comment-8287 Dr.Mansur Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:56:16 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/can%e2%80%99t-fly-without-wings.html#comment-8287 Perhaps ur midfield lineup is ok,though i am not too sure about Landzaat,never seen the Wigan Atheletic player play anything extraordinary.But i definitely feel that Seedorf deserves a call from MVB,specially when Van Bommel has said not to play for orange under MVB.I reckon the best time to test Clarence Seedorf once more is the upcoming friendly against England in Nov.15.Come on Marco,give the guy a chance. Perhaps ur midfield lineup is ok,though i am not too sure about Landzaat,never seen the Wigan Atheletic player play anything extraordinary.But i definitely feel that Seedorf deserves a call from MVB,specially when Van Bommel has said not to play for orange under MVB.I reckon the best time to test Clarence Seedorf once more is the upcoming friendly against England in Nov.15.Come on Marco,give the guy a chance.

]]> By: Rami http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/can%e2%80%99t-fly-without-wings.html/comment-page-1#comment-8244 Rami Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:12:51 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/can%e2%80%99t-fly-without-wings.html#comment-8244 I hear you, and share the same fear concerning the possibility of dutch football falling back to the likes of austria and poland and belgium. During his tenure as manager in the past couple of years, van basten occasionally reiterated the importance of joining the Dutch Eredivisie and the belgian league together into one big league. I always found this a great idea. We could get rid of many of those underperforming squads that we have so many of and replace them with the best from belgium. Jan, however alongside the rising problem of ineffective youth development programs, I believe dutch football and the dutch league are suffering also from something muh worse.. Lack Of Competition; underperformance. Let's be honest, half of the squads in the dutch league are the equals of stoke city and luton and other crappy 2nd division english teams. Neways.. Just watched milan ac - anderlecht, and seedorf was impressive once again. Been keeping an eye on him lately with all the fiasco going on in the dutch squad midfield, and he most definitely deserves a spot in the first 23, and in my opinion in the first 11 even. He has always a firm grip on the ball and has amazing ball control and passing abilities, he's powerful and well built, unlike the injury-prone vdv, and is always commanding the build-up for the attack.. All in all defenitely deserves the no.10 jersey milan awards him with. Of course, he has his flaws (can be slow like a turtle sometimes - u may even see him walking on the pitch during an offensive hehe); but i really do not understand why Van basten does not give him a chance at the center of the pitch in mitdfield alongside sneijder/vdv and de jong/landzaat. He's the commander, bulldozer, technique and experience Oranje needs in midfield. What do you think ? How about sneider - seedorf - de jong/lanzaat (van bommel optinally) for a change??? I hear you, and share the same fear concerning the possibility of dutch football falling back to the likes of austria and poland and belgium.

During his tenure as manager in the past couple of years, van basten occasionally reiterated the importance of joining the Dutch Eredivisie and the belgian league together into one big league. I always found this a great idea. We could get rid of many of those underperforming squads that we have so many of and replace them with the best from belgium.

Jan, however alongside the rising problem of ineffective youth development programs, I believe dutch football and the dutch league are suffering also from something muh worse.. Lack Of Competition; underperformance. Let’s be honest, half of the squads in the dutch league are the equals of stoke city and luton and other crappy 2nd division english teams.

Neways.. Just watched milan ac – anderlecht, and seedorf was impressive once again. Been keeping an eye on him lately with all the fiasco going on in the dutch squad midfield, and he most definitely deserves a spot in the first 23, and in my opinion in the first 11 even.
He has always a firm grip on the ball and has amazing ball control and passing abilities, he’s powerful and well built, unlike the injury-prone vdv, and is always commanding the build-up for the attack.. All in all defenitely deserves the no.10 jersey milan awards him with. Of course, he has his flaws (can be slow like a turtle sometimes – u may even see him walking on the pitch during an offensive hehe); but i really do not understand why Van basten does not give him a chance at the center of the pitch in mitdfield alongside sneijder/vdv and de jong/landzaat. He’s the commander, bulldozer, technique and experience Oranje needs in midfield.
What do you think ? How about sneider – seedorf – de jong/lanzaat (van bommel optinally) for a change???

]]> By: Samuel Knight (Oudegeest) http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/can%e2%80%99t-fly-without-wings.html/comment-page-1#comment-8108 Samuel Knight (Oudegeest) Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:44:44 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/can%e2%80%99t-fly-without-wings.html#comment-8108 Great insight. But one word of caution, lefties tend to be about 15% of the population, so the number available almost always is subject to more wild swings than most other slots. But I like your emphasis on Nederland looking to train certain skill sets for the future. Who's the next goalie? Who's the next central defender? Where are the left footed midfielders, wingers, and defenders? We all tend to overglory the goal-scorers over the people who stop the ball from going into the goal, or who get the ball up to the strikers. For example, it would be huge for Nederland to give extra plaudits for assists - both direct and secondary assists (guy who passes to the goal scorer, and the guy who passed to the guy who passed to the goal scorer.) Great insight. But one word of caution, lefties tend to be about 15% of the population, so the number available almost always is subject to more wild swings than most other slots.

But I like your emphasis on Nederland looking to train certain skill sets for the future. Who’s the next goalie? Who’s the next central defender? Where are the left footed midfielders, wingers, and defenders? We all tend to overglory the goal-scorers over the people who stop the ball from going into the goal, or who get the ball up to the strikers.

For example, it would be huge for Nederland to give extra plaudits for assists – both direct and secondary assists (guy who passes to the goal scorer, and the guy who passed to the guy who passed to the goal scorer.)

]]> By: Bills Fan http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/can%e2%80%99t-fly-without-wings.html/comment-page-1#comment-8038 Bills Fan Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:26:15 +0000 http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/can%e2%80%99t-fly-without-wings.html#comment-8038 Nice column Jan. I watched on NOS that Seedorf may be returning to Oranje. MVB and him have spoken and the door is open. Is MVB using Seedorf to counter media critisism concerning his mistreatment of veteran players? Bills fan in Toronto Nice column Jan. I watched on NOS that Seedorf may be returning to Oranje. MVB and him have spoken and the door is open. Is MVB using Seedorf to counter media critisism concerning his mistreatment of veteran players?

Bills fan in Toronto

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