Bert van Marwijk and his first six months

February 5th, 2009 | By: Jan | 33 Comments »

Every club coach loves to be the national team manager once in his career. Van Basten and Rijkaard started in the job, some coaches end their career in the position. Co Adriaanse, Louis van Gaal, Willem van Hanegem…they all seemed to be drawn to the Holy Grail of coaching jobs.

But, as history shown, it’s not an easy job (although you do less hours). For instance, Dickie Advocaat – a funloving scoundrel according to his mates – became a paranoid weazel when in charge of Oranje. Louis van Gaal, the best coach of the world ™ forgot that being a club coach is different to being a national team coach and he failed hopelessly.

Bert van Marwijk was “an ideal candidate” according to some. He has a good rep in the media, comes across as thoughtful and restrained, won prizes with Feyenoord, has experience abroad, has Mark van Bommel as son-in-law, etc etc…

His first six months as team manager were quite good. The opponents in the qualifications group are maybe not as challenging as the ones Van Basten had to play, but still. He managed to draw good results out of our back four, did well with Van Persie and Sneijder’s public rift, he even got Edwin van der Star back for a spell. Now, it’s maybe time for Bert to allow some young and coming players to have a go.

Van Marwijk looks back at his six months on the job.

So, what does your average week look like?

“There’s no average week anymore. That’s what you have at club level. In my case, when we have games on, you have a very intense ten days. You can train focused and try to do a lot together at very intense levels. You have to fit it all in a couple of days. Physical tests, personal talks, group tactical talks, tactical training, fun, teambuilding, you know the drill. Those are long days, since you also have your logistical challenges. You need to prepare everything, suddenly the media wants you, there’s sponsor stuff, etc. In a normal working week, the technical staff is at the office in Zeist for meetings. We discuss the relevant games we saw, the coming program for our match-visits, international news at Association level, domestic news, we evaluate our core group of players and we take care of prep for away games or training camps and stuff like that. On Saturdays and Sundays I’m travelling, with my staff and scouts. We divide the games up so we can follow our internationals and potential internationals. For international games, you always want to create an efficient travelplan. I’d like to watch four games per weekend, if possible.

“There’s not a lot of time to work specifically on team building and relaxation. When you’re together only three days, it’s chock a block. Training, talks, video analysis and then there’s the media obligations. Not a lot of time for fun.”

“When there’s a double program, we spend ten days together. Than we have the opportunity to break out half a day or an evening. We definitely go out for dinner together or watch a show. At club level, players go home after training. At national team level, you spend time together. Playing cards, having a drink… And that’s teambuilding too. I believe in team building, but I don’t want to force it. I don’t believe in: “let’s go rowing today and become better friends…”. I don’t think that will work. It needs to come from the bottom up and most players realize that and do make an effort.”

How is the prep for a game different for a club and for Oranje?

“It’s not really. A training is a training. The big difference is, that with Oranje there’s not a lot of time. You can prepare your next game for a week sometimes at club level and you can layer your preparation. You can use psychology as well, with players who had a bad day the game before. You can create the right circumstances. The last two training sessions are always tactical. With Oranje, when you have three days and you play on Wednesday, you come together on the Monday. Some lads have played the day before so you can’t put them under pressure. That leaves the Tuesday training. And again, you need to watch the amount of pressure. Some players take their issues from the club with them, or little pains. Your influence in the prep as a team manager is limited.”

On the other hand, you do work with the best of the best, so trainings sessions are always at an extreme high level. That makes it fun.”

What were the setbacks in the first six months and which elements do you think are more positive than you expected?

“Nothing was a setback really. I haven’t been annoyed with anything. I didn’t really have high expectations either. I tend to start something and take things as they come. Till now, all my experiences were highly positive. I did need some adjustment at the start. My rhythm was: start in June with an intensive trainings camp. Now, I started mid August with the friendly against Russia.”

“I’m totally used to working for the KNVB now. I thought I’d miss the daily training action, but it’s ok. I really enjoy myself. I can see a lot of games now and I look at the differently. More detached. I learn a lot from it. Actually, any club coach should take a year off, like Rijkaard does now. Just chill out and watch games for the fun of it. It’s enriching.”

Do you feel the Dutch competition is getting weaker and weaker and is that a bad thing?

“I don’t see it as weaker… Some people say that, and literally speaking they are right. But because of our football philosophy, most youngsters can learn a lot in Holland. More than they would in England or Italy. We have a model of development. Coaches like Verbeek, Been, Van Basten, Jans…they take risks. They play young lads like Biseswar, Daley Blind, Wijndaldum because they can and because they sometimes don’t have other options. Maybe those coaches would like to see more experienced players on their bench, but it’s great for these players. And indirectly for Dutch football and Oranje.”

How are players like Sneijder and Van Persie developing with regards to their leadership in Oranje?

“It’s funny… I don’t think either of them aims to be The Leader. I don’t believe in that concept. In the old days, there was a number 10 on midfield and he was the playmaker. Who’s the playmaker at Real Madrid? Raul? Guti? Sneijder? Some would say, maybe Ruud… Same at AC Milan… Is it Ronaldinho, Kaka, Seedorf? These players are all multifunctional. They’re physically very fit, they have the skills, the vision. They can set up goals and score them. Remember Kuyt and Gio against Italy at the EC? They defended and attacked in the same minute. We have had many leaders in the same team. Van der Sar was one. Van Bommel is one. Ooijer has it, Sneijder, Van Nistelrooy… And Robben, in this form, he doesn’t have to talk to anyone. His feet will do the leading. The lads see that too. Power play is not part of our concept. We can upset any opponent if we play like a team. And our important players play at clubs where their managers expect the same things.”

Ajax, PSV and Feyenoord are performing poorly in the Eredivisie. A worry?

“Nah… I think Ajax has had some bad luck recently. Really strange, but it does happen at times. I think Ajax is still top in Holland. They suffered some injuries, had to let Klaas Jan go, that always has an impact. At PSV, I think it’s a cycle thing, really. Some important players left, then it’s hard to keep the team at the same level. You need luck too, you know. Some players didn’t step up to the plate, another gets an injury, the CL results were maybe weighing down on the team… before you know it, you’re in that vicious circle. I think PSV will get out of this. And Feyenoord…I can’t comment to much. It’s my old club… They may have had a bad fit between players and coach. That can happen too. Add the numerous injuries, the pressure in Rotterdam… If Verbeek hadn’t lost players like Tomasson, De Guzman, Landzaat, Hofland…who knows what would and could have happened? And that’s the vulnerability at Dutch clubs. In England, there’s a much stronger group of 16 players, and if four get injured, they buy new players in winter-time.”

When will we see new names in the squad… Braafheid, Zuiverloon, Van der Wiel, to name a few?

“Don’t make a mistake: we do follow these lads closely, but playing for Oranje is really a huge step up from the Eredivisie. The pressure, the pace…it’s a different world. We’ve seen players used in the past, who could cling on. That’s not good. Not for them, not for Oranje. When I feel I have a problem with one or more positions, I’ll react. For now, I’m taking it slow, deliberately. But rest assured, I know which players are getting close, and Nederland B with Neeskens and Bergkamp is the ideal next phase for these players.”

Will Oranje qualify and if we do, where will we end up in South Africa?

“Where we will end up? At the hotel we booked, I hope. But seriously, I do feel that if we can’t qualify now, we just don’t deserve it. Our position is excellent. Our future looks bright. The age group of our key players is ideal. If the players are fit, we will snatch our ticket. The players are all extremely motivated to write history. Having said that: there’s probably eight nations that could win the title. And Holland is one of them. But, it’s depending on the draw, the fitness of players, the mental attitude, luck and all those things. We’re not without a chance, when we qualify. But that applies to many other nations as well. We’ll take it one game at a time and try to stay in South Africa for as long as we can…”



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Username By Andrew | February 5th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
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@Finn, that would be great if you hear something about a broadcast. There used to be a site called soccertv.com where you could look these things up, but it has gone away. I have yet to find something comparable.
@Jan, should have said so in my initail post, but I’ll agree with Carlos. Excellent story. Many thanks for pulling it together for us.

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Username By Carlos | February 5th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
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Just wondering if they will stick to the FIFA friendly rule of 6 subs. Some players will only get 45 min – Robben v Persie Wesley etc but 5 will get 90 mins. I believe the coaches can agree to more changes but not sure about the hard and fast rules – would love to see Schaars and de Jong together. Have the final 23 been chosen ? Will he take 23 ? probably only 18 right ?

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Username By finnster01 | February 6th, 2009 at 4:30 am
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Hughes and Man City leaves De Jong out of the squad for the UEFA Cup. The three roster changes allowed are being used on the other new purchases: Shay Given, Wayne Bridges and Craig Bellamy

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Username By Alex | February 6th, 2009 at 5:21 am
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I’m pretty sure Boulahrouz will get playing time now, last time he was supposed to play but they had already used all the 6 subs.

I’d like to see how the following line-up would do,

———Stekelenburg
Mendes-Heitinga-Mathijsen-Braafheid
————De Jong————-
—–V.Bommel————-Schaars
Robben———Sneijder
———V.Persie

It’s hard to explain but i was thinking about De Jong as midfield sweeper before the defence, a bit before that V.Bommel and Schaars more to the left flank, Robben on the right, Sneijder as a sort number ten hanging on the left, V.Persie as a striker. sort of 4-3-3 but also a rather distorted 4-2-3-1 especially when Schaars goes wide.

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Username By Carlos | February 6th, 2009 at 7:01 am
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Wow Alex – great line up :)

Its interesting that Robben is now constantly being mentioned as one of the best players in the world. Capello thinks Messi is the best in the world, better than Robben.
I agree, but not so long ago the 2 would not have been mentioned in the same breath.

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Username By Alex | February 6th, 2009 at 7:15 am
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Big news
Gregory van der wiel has been selected by V.Marwijk, as well as Braafheid

Gio, De Cler, Vorm, Engelaar, Boulahrouz apparently didn’t make it

final selection:
Stekelenburg
Timmer(i’m disgusted he didn’t select Vorm instead)

Heitinga
Mathijsen
Marcellis
V.d.Wiel
Braafheid
Ooijer(what?, i’d take Boulahrouz any day)

Afellay
De Jong
V.Bommel
Schaars
De Zeeuw
Mendes da Silva
Sneijder
V.d.Vaart

Robben
V.Persie
Huntelaar
Babel
Kuyt

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Username By Alex | February 6th, 2009 at 7:19 am
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ooh :( i did make a horrible prediction about Boulah. Too bad, he’s better then Ooijer in every way and they both get more or less the same playing time. and why Timmer is still in is a surprise to me.

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Username By Alex | February 6th, 2009 at 7:29 am
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i played with that line-up in fifa 2009 against Spain and France and won with 3-0 and 6-1(hattrick Robben), :) enough proof for me .

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Username By ian | February 6th, 2009 at 8:15 am
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why no gio, i didn’t no he was injured? You dont see germany just dropping ballack their captain just because there in a good spot.

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Username By Michel-Olivier(Slider) | February 6th, 2009 at 9:22 am
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@ alex
gregory for mendes

maybe because your playing fifa in amateur mode :)

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Username By Michel-Olivier(Slider) | February 6th, 2009 at 9:23 am
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bert should of call biseswar instead of babel

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Username By Lerkot | February 6th, 2009 at 10:12 am
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Gio is injured.

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Username By Jason | February 6th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
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Babel is crap and has done nothing since Ajax. Timmer out, Vorm in.

I understadn ooijer being selected – he has been playing pretty good with blackburn recently.

Gio and De Cler are injured – I hope the new selections get some playing time.

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Username By Jan | February 6th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
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Gio saw a ball coming to him from the corner of his eye at a pre game warm up and with a reflex stepped aside and sprained his ankle…

Van Basten and Van Marwijk both lauded Timmer’s off pitch personality and impact in the group process. Also Stekel is a relatively inexperienced goalie and Timmer acts alsmost like a goalkeeper trainer at Oranje.

Stekelenburg apparently played crap in the last Ajax games (but then again, most of them did :-) ).

Van Marwijk recently complimented Biseswar in the media. Van Marwijk last season lost all confidence in the lad and told him he’d be released from the club.

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Username By Jan | February 6th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
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THanks for the heads up there, Alex.

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Username By Caleb | February 6th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
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@Andrew – try http://www.livesoccertv.com/ it’s my new site for checking tv schedules.

Agree with those that say Babel is crap. He’s so frustrating to watch because he ignores good passing opportunities to pass, and instead tries to dribble through 3 defenders and loses it, or plays himself into a corner and loses it. Even Liverpool fans are starting to get a little annoyed with him (from what I’ve heard from my Liverpool buddies). Has a lot of learning to do, that lad.

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Username By Miguel Rosado | February 6th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
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“playing for Oranje is really a huge step up from the Eredivisie” Bert van Maarwijk. He’s doing a good job with the national team and we don’t need to experiment that much so I think Bert is doing well by calling only the best youngsters like Marcellis.

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Username By Miguel Rosado | February 6th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
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Babel has a lot of potential but he needs to take things step by step because when he plays he looks nervous. He’s a very good player and he has shown glimpses of what he can do. Remember when he left Fabregas well behind him?.

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Username By ian | February 6th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
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The reason why oijer is selected so much is just because he is tall. marcellis mathijsen heitinga van der wiel and boulahrouz are all under 6 feet. The only other big guys i can think of are Donk who isn’t ready and vlaar who is constintly injured. Against tall people (carew) we need height

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Username By Jan | February 7th, 2009 at 12:03 am
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Ajax had given up on Babel already, when Ten Cate made him important in the team as striker and gave him carte blanche on the pitch. The criticism at Ajax on Babel was that he lacked vision when he had the ball and he needed too much space for his actions. Once he has the ball, he tends to look nervous as to his next step. And he frequently makes the wrong decisions…

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Username By futbol | February 7th, 2009 at 10:52 am
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@ian
You’re absolutely right. Center backs should be tall enough otherwise opponents will have more chance in the air.

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Username By Alex | February 7th, 2009 at 11:55 am
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what about Glen Loovens, 1.85, Gijs Luirink, 1.88, they’re pretty tall, although Luirink still recovering from symptoms of trombose in his leg.(don’t know how to say it in english?)
Besides them, Kruiswijk, Pieters, Maduro, Luijckx are pretty tall and can play in center but unfortunately not really good enough.
BTW Vlaar doesn’t get that many injuries, he just had a few very severe injuries, very unlucky. Babel has the potential, but he isn’t really a winger, he is mroe comfortable as a striker in 4-4-2 or something like that.

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Username By Andrew | February 8th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
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Any word on whether Robben is going to travel to Tunisia? If he has the flu, doesn’t make much sense. He was terrific again on Saturday. More and more, he is pulling the ball rather thatn just going for goal. Though if Real’s finishing continues as it was on Sat, he might go back to thinking “I’ll just go for goal.” (Just a joke…his ability to occupy 2, 3, 4 defenders consistently always leaves you with the feeling that it is only a matter of time.)
@Carlos, Many thanks for the reference to the livesoccertv.com website.

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Username By Caleb | February 9th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
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@Carlos – yes, thanks! :-P

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Username By mike | February 9th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
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as a neutral i hope netherlands entertain as they did in euro 2008…and i really hope they give boulahrouz more chance because he dutch defense otherwise is kinda shaky…+cant wait for south africa 2010……go dutch!!!!!!!

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