Apologies…

Did I miss something? The Borst column?

Hi all, the Borst column was an outrageous metaphor that – in hindsight – shouldn’t have been translated and posted. At first I thought it was a funny “alternative” view on things, but it basically was vulgar. I decided to delete it after I got some negative responses. I didn’t think the post was worth it. For people who “know” Borst’s work, it wouldn’t come as a surprise… He was once at a live tv show where he totally lost it when a player of Ajax used some profanities in the heat of the game and he started to curse and abuse people…. He is a character, but not all his “wisdom” translates well.

Let’s move on from Borst and keep this wonderful collective work of football expertise going in a sensible way. Thanks for all who corrected me!

Hup Holland Hup!

Posted from  Australia

@Jan; i sure would like to see that post on Borst again… but why did you delete my comment from yesterday??? whats going on?

Posted from  Netherlands

playing good is obviously nice but winning titles is not bad neither. i have nothing against italy or italian teams .they forgot catenaccio and their games are more enjoyable than for ex. british football. if you want to see a real catenaccio-style game watch chelsea-liverpool for example. (arsenal and mu are the exceptions.) or the worst defensive football i have seen in the last year was glasgow rangers’ “performance” against barcelona. the scotish national team did the same against france at stade de france. someone wrote that italy’s winner was a misrake from the referee. yes, it was. but the scotish equalizer too because the goalscorer was in offside position. and someone wrote that eastern european had played dirty football against oranje. i don’t think so. and after all this not bad that we’ll have only one eastern-european opponents in our group. just remember the fact that seven eastern european/balkan countries will be at the ec: greece,turkey,roumania,croatia,russia,poland, czech republic and zero british team, and only one northern european team,sweden. this is the new reality in international football.

Posted from  Hungary

@goose – the post isn’t deleted, it’s just that there are so many comments that the old ones get pushed aside. You have to click “Read the rest of the comments” at the top of the comments to see them all.

@dirk v.d berg – I don’t really agree with some of your points, but some of your posts gave me a good laugh:
“If push comes to shove (And even if it doesn’t), they’ll probably be on the ground in the box, in a need to win game.” and
“I don’t think time of year is a particularly good excuse for why a team isn’t doing well, or else we could just say we don’t do good in june-july.” haha, nice.

But about the group, at first I thought, “alright, that looks like a pretty easy group”. But now I’m thinking, “oh no, that looks like a pretty easy group..” meaning a lot of ugly games against completely defensive teams trying to get a point.. again.

Posted from  Japan

@caleb; oh, i see, but im sad to hear that Jan deleted his post

@Bob; little dutch lesson; its; ” Met hartelijke dank” or “hartelijk bedankt”

grtz

Posted from  Netherlands

Goose, thanks for the Dutch lesson. My ancestors came to New Netherland in the 1650s and spoke Dutch until the late 1880s. However, language, as you well know, is not passed down in the gene pool so my instincts for the Dutch language are, let us say, POOR!

Met hardelijke dank!

Posted from  United States

I only know Borst from watching Studio Sport on the Internet. I like the rapport he has with Mulder and Van Gelder. I understand about 80 percent of the Dutch. So I get a good gist of the discussion. Borst strikes me as a has been rocker turned music critic.

Now Bob…that’s wrong again … Hardelijke Dank? Hartelijke dank!

Well done.. so you were able to trace your lineage back to the 1650s? That’s pretty cool… Where were they from, in Holland?

Posted from  Australia

Jan, thanks for the correction–I missed the significance of the “t” rather than the “d” which I was using. Met hartelijke dank!

My father’s ancestors came from Nijkerk. Many folks from that area in Gelderland came to New Netherland and settled in upstate New York–Albany, the capital, Schenectady and the surrounding area. I recently discovered that Amersfoort was another place where some ancestors lived, as well as Hoorn in North Holland and Leeuwarden in Friesland. All arrived here in North America during the 1630s-1660s period and their daughters married members of my father’s family. I continue to live here in upstate New York, an area that still retains evidence of its significant Dutch heritage. So, my interest in football (soccer) and my interest in heritage merges happily into my great affection for the Netherlands and its national team.

Posted from  United States

Good one Bob… Leeuwarden was the birthplace of some fine football players

Posted from  Australia

@Bob; dont know if you like dutch-america history but if you do try;

Russel Shorto – the island in the centre of the world;

its a great book about the first dutch settlements in the NewYork area, nice little book

Posted from  Netherlands

@Jan; who???

Posted from  Netherlands

Well….Goose…you are probably gonna tell me I am wrong, but wasn’t Abe from Leeuwarden??? Please be kind…

Posted from  Australia

Jan, Jam, Jan… whats this?? Abe is from Heerenveen ofcourse!! bit of a dissapointment, haha

think no good footballers came from Leeuwarden but ill check on that

Posted from  Netherlands

Goose, I love Dutch-American history, know Russell Shorto personally and have read his excellent book twice. I belong to an organization, originally formed in New York City, called the Holland Society of New York. The purpose of the Society is to complete genealogy work for Dutch-Americans whose ancestors came to North America prior to 1675, the date the English finally took control of this area of the world. The Society also supports the work of those scholars translating Dutch language documents from that early period, and those historians interested in the so-called New Netherland historical period (1609-1675). In 2009, there will be a celebration of the 400th year of the Henry Hudson exploration of this part of the country, with his ship DE Halve Maen. Come on over and enjoy the festivities! Good ol’ Henry was English but he was sailing a Dutch ship with a Dutch crew and for the VOC (Dutch East India Company). HUP HOLLAND!

Posted from  United States

@Bob; great stuff, im actually a historian myself, teach 12-18 year olds, i gratuated on Holland during the european interballum but have read quit some things about the VOC and the WIC during my study

still think the best book on Holland and the dutch(by a foreigner) is Schama’s; embarrasment of riches

is this the society wich had the empire state building in orange on Koninginnedag (queens day)? that was great…would they do that if we were to become WC champs in the future?! haha

you can tell Shorto i enjoyed his book, isnt it a small world!

ill complete your HUP HOLLAND:

HUP HOLLAND HUP
LAAT DE LEEUW NIET IN ZN HEMPIE STAAN
HUP HOLLAND HUP
TREK HET BEESSIE GEEN PANTOFFELS AAN
HUP HOLLAND HUP
LAAT JE UIT HET VELD NIET SLAAN
WANT DE LEEUW OP VOETBALSCHOENEN
KAN DE HELE WERELD AAN

ill spair you the translation!

grtz

btw; Jan; still cant believe you tought ús Abe’was from Leeuwarden…dont let Foppe hear you!

Posted from  Netherlands

I am impressed with Bob’s activities…

And utterly and horribly ashamed of that enormous mistake I made…

I apologize to Abe, Foppe, Goose and Jon Dahl, that other Heerenveen born Fries’ superstar….

Posted from  Australia

Goose or Jan, I would like a translation of the HUP HOLLAND HUP song/poem.

Jan,if you are ashamed, then what am I? I do not know who Abe was, or is. Apparently he was a high quality footballer for Heerenveen and perhaps had my favorite Dutch coach, Foppe de Haan, as a coach. Please advise.

Posted from  United States

Jan? could you translate Hup Holland? my english is not really good enough to do it just.

Bob; ill come back on Abe Lenstra, need to earn some money first!

Posted from  Netherlands

Hahaha… Goose can tell you all on Abe… What I know is that he was one of the famous old players of way back when… I believe Johan Cruyff idolized him and I also believe Abe played in Italy before the war…. Although that could’ve been Faas Wilkes instead, another icon from those days.

Abe apparently was one of those blokes who would work on the farm all day, than ride his bike home, eat potatoes and meat and ride his bike to the stadium to astonish the world with his dribbling and goal scoring… But again, Goose should humor you on Abe.

Hup Holland Hup was translated for this blog a year ago or so …

It’s something like this:

Go Holland Go
Don’t let the lion out in the cold (WHAT???)
Go Holland Go
Don’t make the animal wear his slippers
Go Holland Go
Don’t let yourself be played off the pitch
coz a lion wearing football shoes
can take on the whole wide world…

Posted from  Australia

Thanks, Jan and Goose. Abe Lenstra sounds like someone I would admire. Is he still alive?

Posted from  United States

Dirk,

Apology accepted just be repectful when talking about ITALY – the WORLD Champions.

Why should you be respectful when talking about Italy? Because they are world champions? Who cares!

Italy is a joke. The whole country is a joke, with violence and corruption. 80% of the people are afraid when they go to football games. Palermo recently picked up a coach they’ve fired three times the last two years. Its a joke.

Italy shows no respect against the football so I’m not really interested in respecting them. Respect for titles, money, cars, pimpness etc in general is pretty overrated – you shouldnt respect anyone more than anyone else really. We’re all equal. But I know that thinking doesnt exist in some countries, which sucks, but we’re still equal in my opinion.

In countries like Italy and USA they think that titles, girls and money is something worth extra respect. I’ll never agree with that. I think Marco van Basten did the right thing when he didnt stand up for Silvio Berlusconi.

F*ck respect!

Lerkot, take your medecine. What are you babbling about and what language are you trying to say it in?

Wasting valuable space makes me want to kick your a ss. Take Care